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Anonymous  +  242587 Tue, 04 Jul 06 12:39 PM

In the next sentence, which is correct, whether or if? Please explain why is that?

I see this situation as very similar to the question of whether/if  I should insure my home against fire.

Thanks. ^^

Cool Breeze  +  242606 Tue, 04 Jul 06 03:07 PM
An indirect question may begin with either word. Whether is particularly common when or not is added:

    He wanted to know if/whether I had been there.
    I don't know if/whether he speaks Portuguese or not.

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Clive  +  242632 Tue, 04 Jul 06 05:08 PM

Hi,

I see this situation as very similar to the question of whether/if  I should insure my home against fire.

With regard to this specific sentence, the/a question of  is an idiomatic phrase that does not work with 'if'. Say the question of whether.

Or, you could say the question of home insurance against fire, where the need for choice is implied but not stated.

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CalifJim  +  242770 Wed, 05 Jul 06 07:18 AM
The combination of if is not used, nor the combination of any preposition followed by if.

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milky  +  242779 Wed, 05 Jul 06 07:46 AM

 CalifJim wrote:
The combination of if is not used, nor the combination of any preposition followed by if.

CJ


One has to be careful saying that. It is used in situations like this one:

"they can be disposed of if they become..."

And the "of if" combination is used in place of "of whether" by quite a few speakers - even though we may not like it.

"It's not a question of if he's sacked but when. Coaching is his big strength and..."

Warhammer armies: the Empire. Nottingham: Games Workshop, 1993, pp. 4-76.

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"It wasn't a matter of if they would return; it was merely a question of when."

Heathen. Hutson, Shaun. London: Warner Books, 1993, pp. 132-321.

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"It's really a case of if you've got it, make sure everybody knows you've got it...

Environmental Issues. u.p., n.d., pp. ??.

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CalifJim  +  242790 Wed, 05 Jul 06 08:11 AM
Good examples.  There are obviously situations where of if can be used.  The "rule" needs to be refined.
So what is the correct phrasing of the rule, to take these cases into account?  Something like this?

of if is not used except:
of if is OK if contrasted with of when.
of if is OK if the of completes one clause and the if begins another, i.e., the of and the if are not in the same clause.
of if is OK if a complete if ... then ... antecedent-consequent structure follows the of.

Anything else you've found?

CJ

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