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Inchoateknowledge wrote:

Note from these examples, that in statements when the preposition is placed at the end of the clause, we can use that instead of who or which or we can omit the relative pronoun completely. that = object of Note; it has only grammatical function; no meaning, reference comma -- are you sure it was there? A comma cannot go between the verb and its object

I'm sorry, Inchoateknowledge, but could you cite a few samples to show us that that in the line in green has only a grammatical function with no meaning and reference?

I'm extremely confused again.

Inchoateknowledge wrote:

Note from these examples, that in statements when the preposition is placed at the end of the clause, we can use that instead of who or which or we can omit the relative pronoun completely. Does 'that' refer to anything, IYO? It is a conjuction word which introduces a new clause, not a pronoun with reference. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=82267&dict=CALD

Hi, Inchoateknowledge, thanks for the link, but all I need is a few samples of your own to show us what you mean.

Inchoateknowledge wrote:

I recommend that we settle this problem (simple sentence, one clause) the red part is a nominal clause, and acts as the object of the verb. 'that' has no reference, but plays an important role grammatically: nominal conjunction that links the verb to its object (noun).

Hi, Inchoateknowledge, thanks for the effort, but it seems that you have missed what I meant.

Here I go it over again:

What does your sample have anything to do with the first question of this thread starter, which is quoted again below?

That is, does your sample match the first question?

Anonymous wrote:

1. Note from these examples, that in statements when the preposition is placed at the end of the clause, we can use that instead of who or which or we can omit the relative pronoun completely. I don't understand the function of the underlined that in this sentence and what 'that' refers to? Can you give examples to explain this? simon

Inchoateknowledge wrote:

"I don't understand the function of the underlined that in this sentence and what 'that' refers to? Can you give examples to explain this?" This is the question, right?  Inchoateknowledge wrote: Note from these examples, that in statements when the preposition is placed at the end of the clause, we can use that instead of who or which or we can omit the relative pronoun completely 'that' has no reference, but plays an important role grammatically: nominal conjunction that links the verb note to its object (noun). Morning

Morning to you, too. Actually, here it's about 9 PM.

Yes, that's the question, but does your sample match what the line in green describes?