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Bennyman  #332525  Fri, 23 Feb 07 05:34 PM
 Liveinjapan wrote:

Thanks, Grammar Geek!

So, used a comma splice, that would be okay:

'Fortunately we had a map,(<-- a comma splice) without it we would have gotten (/ been) lost.

Is that what you mean?

I understand what you said about how to separate the sentence into complete two ones.

You have the choice between these three:

1. Fortunately, we had a map. Without it, we would have been lost.

2. Fortunately we had a map, without which we would have gotten/been lost.

3. Fortunately we had a map without it we would have gotten/been lost.

A dependent clause cannot stand alone as a sentence. In itself, a dependent clause does not express a complete thought; therefore, it is usually attached to an independent clause. Although a dependent clause contains a subject and a predicate, it sounds incomplete when standing alone.

You can say, "without it we would have been lost" and the sentence would be complete, but this sentence: "without which we would have been lost", is a dependent clause and therefore incomplete because it isn't refering to anything.

Sorry for being so imperceptive in my last post.

  
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Liveinjapan  #332534  Fri, 23 Feb 07 05:58 PM

Kooyeen, I see what you mean. An alternative to which is 'that' . Thaks, but I still prefer to use 'which'. I cannot explain why.

Bennyman, Thank you for your helpful solutions. It really helped me understand that matter.

Zeppe, your opinion helped me a lot as well. thanks.

Thanks everyone.

  
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CalifJim  #332570  Fri, 23 Feb 07 08:12 PM
'Fortunately we had a map, without which we would have got lost.'


Correct:
Fortunately we had a map, without which we would have got lost.
Fortunately we had a map.  Without it we would have got lost.
Fortunately we had a map.  Without that we would have got lost.

Incorrect:
Fortunately we had a map, without it we would have got lost.
Fortunately we had a map, without that we would have got lost.

In American English you may substitute gotten for got.

CJ

  
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Liveinjapan  #332682  Sat, 24 Feb 07 06:09 AM

Hi, CJ, I'm convinced.

I'll use 'gotten'.

Thanks.

  
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