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Latest post Sat, Feb 18 2006 9:22 AM by Janissary. 11 replies.
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Janissary
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Tue, 14 Feb 06 11:53 AM
for me, this is a stupid question to ask and dont give me an answer for the title.i just want to emphasize on the topic.this is not a matter that can be thought for Muslim world or Christian world or anything else but individuals. so one should never generalize the matters.not only for Muslims but also...
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml
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Lazarus
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Wed, 15 Feb 06 01:20 AM
I think the premise of this thread you've started is xenophobic and an all-around poor idea.
Your title is asking for people to debate whether Muslims or
"Westerners" are the more violent people. Why, then, do you say
in your post not to answer that question? And not to
generalize?
What's the point of the thread you've started, then?
Horrible things happen all around the world, and all kinds of people are responsible for them. Pretty much end of story.
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YoungCalifornian
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Wed, 15 Feb 06 04:06 AM
I'll second what Lazarus said. This is a can of worms that doesn't need to be opened. That said, I did want to make one point: given all the horrible violence and suffering that occurs daily in the Middle East, it seems a bit silly to single out this incident as a prime example of violence and savagery.
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Janissary
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Wed, 15 Feb 06 10:03 AM
 Lazarus wrote: | I think the premise of this thread you've started is xenophobic and an all-around poor idea.
Your title is asking for people to debate whether Muslims or
"Westerners" are the more violent people. Why, then, do you say
in your post not to answer that question? And not to
generalize?
What's the point of the thread you've started, then?
Horrible things happen all around the world, and all kinds of people are responsible for them. Pretty much end of story.
Lazarus
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xenophobic??? no you are quite wrong on this actually. i have never been xenophobic but i had already guessed who would reply me and what would say but i hadnt expexcted this.i am not xenophobic indeed. as for the title, yes i wrote it intentionally because after the debates over the Muslim rows against the depiction of prophet Mohammed and arguments i didnt want to show this topic as a retaliation. i didnt want to show it so" yes we did that and you are doing so. you are more savage or so..". but whatever if i had written sth as a title it would be possible to be understood so. intead of this i tried to explain it. i meant yes, one can think which side is more savage but there is no such a stupid answer to such a question because these dont give us a genreal idea about societies. thats why as soon as i wrote title , i started to explain why i dont want to reply to the title and said we cannot generalize the events. lets turn the real aim of me over these torments. we saw the same thing in Abu Garib in Iraq several times.and in Guantemala as is known. what is the psycholgy of those who have fun when torturing innocents. i just want to learn this. because those who have done such things so far and who ll do so as is seen, have really fun while doing these actions. are not they humans with brains? dont they have hearts?
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Janissary
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Wed, 15 Feb 06 10:05 AM
| YoungCalifornian wrote: | | I'll second what Lazarus said. This is a can of worms that doesn't need to be opened. That said, I did want to make one point: given all the horrible violence and suffering that occurs daily in the Middle East, it seems a bit silly to single out this incident as a prime example of violence and savagery. |
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i am sorry yc but i really couldnt understand what you meant.
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YoungCalifornian
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Wed, 15 Feb 06 09:33 PM
| i am sorry yc but i really couldnt understand what you meant. |
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Your intent seems to have been to demonstrate that both "sides" (Muslims and Westerners) are capable of brutal acts. However, given the constant bloodletting that occurs in the Middle East, this incident seems rather tame to me. I'm not excusing the actions of the British soldiers, just saying that relative to what else goes on in the region, those actions aren't good examples of violence or savagery.
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Lazarus
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Wed, 15 Feb 06 11:31 PM
| Janissary wrote: |
xenophobic??? no you are quite wrong on
this actually. i have never been xenophobic but i had already guessed
who would reply me and what would say but i hadnt expexcted this.i am
not xenophobic indeed.
as for the title, yes i wrote it
intentionally because after the debates over the Muslim rows against
the depiction of prophet Mohammed and arguments i didnt want to show
this topic as a retaliation. i didnt want to show it so" yes we did
that and you are doing so. you are more savage or so..". but whatever
if i had written sth as a title it would be possible to be understood
so. intead of this i tried to explain it. i meant yes, one can think
which side is more savage but there is no such a stupid answer to such
a question because these dont give us a genreal idea about societies.
thats why as soon as i wrote title , i started to explain why i dont
want to reply to the title and said we cannot generalize the events.
lets
turn the real aim of me over these torments. we saw the same thing in
Abu Garib in Iraq several times.and in Guantemala as is known. what is
the psycholgy of those who have fun when torturing innocents. i just
want to learn this. because those who have done such things so far and
who ll do so as is seen, have really fun while doing these actions. are
not they humans with brains? dont they have hearts?
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You're clearly talking out of both sides of your mouth. Your
objective is to incite, and again, I think it's an irresponsible idea.
Do you not at least see the contradiction in your opening?: "i have never been xenophobic but i had already guessed who would reply me" That's an example of xenophobic tendencies right there.
You want to discuss the indecency of the West, and it's quite apparent.
People all around the world do horrible things, and I for one would
like to stop the divisiveness. Swapping one atrocity for another
doen't seem to be constructive in the least.
Lazarus
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Passionate_freak
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Fri, 17 Feb 06 10:47 AM
| Lazarus wrote: | | Janissary wrote: |
xenophobic??? no you are quite wrong on this actually. i have never been xenophobic but i had already guessed who would reply me and what would say but i hadnt expexcted this.i am not xenophobic indeed.
as for the title, yes i wrote it intentionally because after the debates over the Muslim rows against the depiction of prophet Mohammed and arguments i didnt want to show this topic as a retaliation. i didnt want to show it so" yes we did that and you are doing so. you are more savage or so..". but whatever if i had written sth as a title it would be possible to be understood so. intead of this i tried to explain it. i meant yes, one can think which side is more savage but there is no such a stupid answer to such a question because these dont give us a genreal idea about societies. thats why as soon as i wrote title , i started to explain why i dont want to reply to the title and said we cannot generalize the events.
lets turn the real aim of me over these torments. we saw the same thing in Abu Garib in Iraq several times.and in Guantemala as is known. what is the psycholgy of those who have fun when torturing innocents. i just want to learn this. because those who have done such things so far and who ll do so as is seen, have really fun while doing these actions. are not they humans with brains? dont they have hearts?
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You're clearly talking out of both sides of your mouth. Your objective is to incite, and again, I think it's an irresponsible idea.
Do you not at least see the contradiction in your opening?: "i have never been xenophobic but i had already guessed who would reply me" That's an example of xenophobic tendencies right there.
You want to discuss the indecency of the West, and it's quite apparent.
People all around the world do horrible things, and I for one would like to stop the divisiveness. Swapping one atrocity for another doen't seem to be constructive in the least.
Lazarus
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well, I guess I agree Lazarus. This kind of *** prevails all over the world.
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Janissary
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Fri, 17 Feb 06 04:11 PM
what is xenophobic?
i looked it up in thr dictionary and it says feeling a hostility to others. thats why i said i am not xenophonic because i dont feel any hatred to anyone. but if you want to see my aim just try to understand what i had written may reply to you. everything is in it.
but if you dont want to understand you cant. i m sorry
everyone looks but everyone cant see.
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