busido  +  589138 Wed, 19 Nov 08 02:50 AM Normal 0 7.8 磅 0 2 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 Normal 0 7.8 磅 0 2 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 i have been puzzled such a long time and i cannot solve the problem at all. i am annoyed lately! The meanings of eight vowels in  site of mouth must exists!!! EXAMPLE IS " pat pet  pit pot put".The difference caused by the variety of vowel must be  understanderable and catchable! may be you can release me ! god bless you !!  tell me thankgivings! busido Joined on Wed, Nov 19 2008 New Member 09 にほんばんざい！ Vowels

	Avangi  +  589424 Wed, 19 Nov 08 03:25 PM Hi busido, It's very difficult to describe the exact formations of the mouth used to produce these exact vowel sounds in a way that would be accurate enough to assure success.  We usually learn to pronounce examples such as you have offered, and then use those as models for other words with the same vowel sounds. Perhaps you have another purpose in acquiring this information. But if your purpose is simply to pronounce the sounds correctly, there are audios available. One site was recently recommended to us, which I thought was quite good.  Something like HowSay.  Excuse me while I look it up.      http://www.howjsay.com/        You can type your samples into the box and hear them clearly pronounced.  (Perhaps you can already pronunce them all correctly to your satisfaction.   If so, I don't know how to help you.)   - A. Avangi Joined on Mon, Nov 19 2007 Veteran Member 8,182 ". . . le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile." - Henri de Regnier Vowels

	AlpheccaStars  +  589428 Wed, 19 Nov 08 03:29 PM  I don't understand your question. English has 5 vowel letters (a, e, i o, u). Sometimes Y is a vowel letter. The English language has about 43 different sounds and, depending on who you ask, about 19 different vowel sounds.  We use our mouth, nose, throat and vocal cords to make these sounds. We spell these sounds in different ways.(there are historical reasons for this). The study of this topic is called "phonics". There are many textbooks on phonics.       AlpheccaStars Joined on Sun, Oct 12 2008 Senior Member 3,508 The pen is mightier than the sword. Edward Bulwer-Lytton (1803-1873) Vowels, Phonics

	busido  +  589575 Thu, 20 Nov 08 12:18 AM pardon me. The questioni post is very fantastic and informal.The appetite for catching the hide meanings of the vowel shall  be necessary,rational. Not only the inquiring for the meanings of phonic vowe shall be learned,but also the oth 26 consonants meanings should be exploit.Do u guys know what i express to u. It is harmful to some person that the secrets  would  be exposed to everyone,ISN't??? Iike one case, the open syllable "flu". F implys a "rub face touch "(two things are familiar with each other)meaning,and l implys a "one after one continuous"meaning.So alots of meanings occur from the basic and single letter meanings. Do u agree with me? Some callings from the mentality of our brain emerges?   Do u be puzzled wth the thing that when u pronounce a word "sad",why not call the word the "the mouth of shape of circle phone"?why not? that's not a historical thing,definitely is the key point of a secret of the basic meaning for which the acoustic feeling express and imply! busido Vowels, Consonants, Phonics

	Avangi  +  589601 Thu, 20 Nov 08 01:14 AM Hi busido, There are probably people who would enjoy writing descriptions of the mouth to see if thereby you could be coaxed into producing the correct sounds.  But I think that would be a diversion, and not a practical solution.  If this be your chosen work, I wish you Godspeed. For centuries, people have found the most effective and efficient way to perfect their production of language sounds is by imitation.  Still not knowing what your objective is, I repeat this recommendation to you. Yes, I certainly agree with you that a single letter can be involved in conveying many different meanings. Best regards,  - A. Avangi Regards, Vowels

	busido  +  589607 Thu, 20 Nov 08 01:20 AM MR AVANGI: So could u tell all of us about every letters meaning u have comprehended.                                                                                                     BEST WISHES busido Vowels

	Avangi  +  589643 Thu, 20 Nov 08 03:08 AM busido “So could u tell all of us about every letters meaning u have comprehended.  ”    I dare say not.                                                                                      The subtle differences between our languages are also fundamental and profound.  I have the notion that nuances in phrasing play the role in our language which nuances in words play in yours, but it's only a notion.  I could not begin to do the subject justice, but there are many members of EF who could.  I hope some of them will engage your issues, and bring some satisfying resolution to your questions.  - A. Avangi Vowels

	AlpheccaStars  +  589665 Thu, 20 Nov 08 03:49 AM  Busido: Are you asking about the shapes and forms of our alphabetic letters, and the hidden meanings or secrets in these shapes? And when we write words, the letters form new patterns and shapes that we can inerpret in a special way? So our words have more meanings than just their definition from the dictionary? AlpheccaStars Vowels

	busido  +  589688 Thu, 20 Nov 08 04:23 AM AlpheccaStars “ Busido: Are you asking about the shapes and forms of our alphabetic letters, and the hidden meanings or secrets in these shapes? And when we write words, the letters form new patterns and shapes that we can inerpret in a special way? So our words have more meanings than just their definition from the dictionary? ” to AlpheccaStars :   Absolutely,that's truth!They ara hidden all the time !And i acclaim to u that the master in english are good at decoding every word with every single letter!!! Frankly speaking,i know all the meaning of consonant,but don't know the every vowel location meanings in our mouth ! to avangi: notion ?not at all. do u directly answer a question ? can our ancients  imitate the pronounce of vowel from anyone else at that time?from god?no!   the hidden meanings was created by their mentality and  explored from nature------rationalism of greek! SO someone on the forum who got the secrets should share with us as a responsible to the world and spread of western culture!  thanksgiving! busido Vowels, Consonants