WHO/WHOM

1 2 3
   Share on Facebook  
Guest  #69214  Sat, 22 Jan 05 10:48 AM

Dear Sir,

i am asking a question plz give me a answer if know .

QUESTION : We fill sorry for the boys Whose money has been stolen.

ANSWER :

i request to you
plz givew me a naswer





bye,
  
CalifJim  #69267  Sat, 22 Jan 05 05:26 PM
We feel sorry for the boys whose money has been stolen.

I don't think that's a question! Did you want to know how to respond to such a statement? If so, you could say, "Yes, I do too. There are so many thieves about. Something ought to be done about it."

Smile [:)]
  
Top 10 Contributor
Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004
California
Veteran Member (17,003)
ModeratorProficient Speaker
"There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche
Andrei  #69295  Sat, 22 Jan 05 09:28 PM
It's he who I told the news

What is wrong with the above?

The man who stole my wallet is a bloody crook.

He who stolde my wallet is a bloody crook.
  
Top 200 Contributor
Joined on Sat, May 29 2004
Full Member (387)
CalifJim  #69401  Sun, 23 Jan 05 06:31 AM
Whoop! I missed the subject line!

"We feel sorry for the boys because their money has been stolen" is probably what you want.

CJ
  
CalifJim  #69402  Sun, 23 Jan 05 06:39 AM
"He's the one I told the news to" or "He's the one I told" is the more idiomatic formulation.

Since the statement form is "I told the news to him." or "I told the news to them" [Note the m's.], the corresponding interrogative or relative pronoun also has the m: It's he to whom I told the news. It's he whom I told the news to.

Note that in everyday conversation, you are not ever going to hear anyone say "It's he to whom I told the news" or even "It's he who I told the news to". It just doesn't occur in everyday speech. In fact, it would be almost as rare to find it in modern writing as well.
  
just the truth  #69424  Sun, 23 Jan 05 09:55 AM
Since the statement form is "I told the news to him." or "I told the news to them" [Note the m's.], the corresponding interrogative or relative pronoun also has the m: It's he to whom I told the news. It's he whom I told the news to.

JT: Just because we have object him/them does not mean that "the corresponding interrogative or relative pronoun", must be used.

--------------------
The Grammar Book

They [prescriptive grammars] also tell us to always use in object position. A prescriptive grammar can be abused by those who insist on outdated conventions ... .
-------------------


Note that in everyday conversation, you are not ever going to hear anyone say "It's he to whom I told the news" or even "It's he who I told the news to". It just doesn't occur in everyday speech. In fact, it would be almost as rare to find it in modern writing as well.

JT: And in everyday conversation, you are unlikely to hear being used with near the frequency that you'll hear . Wouldn't you agree, Jim?
  
Top 75 Contributor
Joined on Mon, Dec 27 2004
Regular Member (849)
Andrei  #69478  Sun, 23 Jan 05 04:15 PM


"It's he to whom I told the news" or even "It's he who I told the news to". It just doesn't occur in everyday speech. In fact, it would be almost as rare to find it in modern writing as well.

CalifJim

It is he who told the news of .....................

You are telling me this is not in modern English. I am a bit surprised. So the American English this is a thing of the past.
  
CalifJim  #69479  Sun, 23 Jan 05 04:58 PM
Just because we have object him/them does not mean that "the corresponding interrogative or relative pronoun", must be used.


True. So true, particularly because of the "must".

But in the context of a student question implicitly asking "What's all the fuss about 'who' and 'whom'?" I believe the student deserves some kind of easily grasped mnemonic/principle as an explanation, not just a dismissive "Don't bother with such stupidities", although frankly I am often tempted in that direction, as you surely recognize by my additional comments.

And in everyday conversation, you are unlikely to hear being used with near the frequency that you'll hear . Wouldn't you agree, Jim?


Come to California. Spend a month. Converse with as many people as you like. Take note of the number of times you hear "whom". I'll give you a dollar for each "whom" at the end of your stay. I doubt you'll have taxi fare to the airport for your trip back.

I think that pretty much answers whether I agree!

CJ

PS. Throw in a dollar for each "It is he" and "It is I". I don't think that taxi will go even another mile.
  
CalifJim  #69480  Sun, 23 Jan 05 05:00 PM
Andrei, I've incorporated an answer to your concern within my response to JTT. Jim
  
1 2 3
AddThis Feed Button RSS Feed: ESL General English Grammar Questions
© 2008 MediaCET Ltd.
Terms and Conditions & Terms of Service