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milky
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Thu, 30 Nov 06 08:42 AM
<And yes, the quotation expresses a Western ideology.>
How mistaken, and potentially Eurocentric, Mr P is in that reply.
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Hume said that if we had perfect or complete descriptive knowledge of reality, we could not, by reasoning, derive a single valid "ought".
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milky
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Thu, 30 Nov 06 08:45 AM
<Why not provide a few references to your elements of humanism, Milky. >
That Mr P doubts the possibilty of finding humanistic thinking in the Upanishads borders on Eurocentrism.
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milky
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Thu, 30 Nov 06 08:50 AM
<I'd also be interested to see the quotes from Confucius that you refer to here.
MrP>
Such doubts. Tut, tut. If Mr P wants a discussion on humanistic thinking, why doesn't he start one. At the moment, his posts on such have drawn attention more to himself than to the discussion at hand. Where are the moderators.
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milky
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Thu, 30 Nov 06 08:54 AM
<And this one, which advocates the imposition of ideology:>
Did Mr P miss the modal?
<<Learning English should be fun for all involved, not a battle to win hearts and minds...>>
Anyone interested in getting back to the discussion on ownership?
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"English is the property of its users native and non-native, and all English speakers need training for effective international communication" (Smith. 1987:xi).
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milky
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Thu, 30 Nov 06 09:15 AM
"While the means of creating and fostering this critical reflection differs based on the traditions (Western practice vs. Confucius), one can see some similarities from the start. Despite its popularity, we will demonstrate what few scholars realize - that Mezirow’s theory of reflectivity may be said in many ways to have originated in the seminal Confucian humanism. While humanism is discussed in relation to the theory of reflectivity, and transformative learning, the chief contributor of humanism, Confucius seems to have been forgotten by Western scholars."
"Confucius’s humanistic assertions regarding learning and reflection have inspired generations of teachers and learners, while the theory of transformative learning is relatively new. "
http://radicalpedagogy.icaap.org/content/issue8_1/wang.html
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Thu, 30 Nov 06 10:47 AM
“Those who are born wise are the highest type of men;
those who become wise through learning come next;
those who are dull-witted and yet strive to learn come after that.
Those who are dull-witted and yet make no effort to learn are the lowest type of men”
(as cited in Chai & Chai, 1965, pp. 44-45). Confucius or Kong Fuzi (551-479 BC)
Did Confucius need a knee in the groin or what?!
I think I prefer Lao Tzu:
"He who knows has no wide learning; he has has wide learning does not know."
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milky
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Thu, 30 Nov 06 10:50 AM
<Did Confucius need a knee in the groin or what?!>
I guess that in the modern PC world, people do not have the cojones to state the obvious, as Confucius did in that text.
Are there no dull-witted and lazy people in this world?
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<"He who knows has no wide learning; he has has wide learning does not know.">
Was Lao Tzu's grammar that bad?
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MrPedantic
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Thu, 30 Nov 06 08:02 PM
 Milky wrote: | |
<And this one, which advocates the imposition of ideology:>
Did Mr P miss the modal?
<<Learning English should be fun for all involved, not a battle to win hearts and minds...>>
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I'll separate the sections to make it clearer for you, Milky, and colour-code the parts that belong together (you've somehow managed to separate them in the quote above):
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Then we have this quote, which deprecates the imposition of ideology:
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<Learning English should be fun for all involved, not a battle to win hearts and minds... >
That statement should be the alma mater of all language teachers.
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And this one, which advocates the imposition of ideology:
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“Foreign language instruction at any level should be a humanistic pursuit intended to sensitize students to other cultures, to the relativity of values, to appreciation of similarities among peoples and respect for the differences among them.” (Wilkes, p. 107)
I agree, but how do you guarantee that teachers are objective in their pursuits?
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MrP
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As you can see, your quote in BLUE deprecates the imposition of ideology.
Your quote in PURPLE, however, advocates the imposition of ideology.
I'm intrigued to know how you explain the contradiction.
MrP
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...opella forensis / adducit febris...
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milky
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Fri, 01 Dec 06 01:35 AM
<As you can see, your quote in BLUE deprecates the imposition of ideology.
Your quote in PURPLE, however, advocates the imposition of ideology.
I'm intrigued to know how you explain the contradiction.
MrP>
Easy, the battle to win hearts and minds involves getting students to accept only one, probably the teacher's, culture whilst the humanistic pursuit to sensitize students to other cultures leaves the teacher somewhat weakened as it involves putting his/her culture up for analysis, questioning and criticism.
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