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milky  #284933  Tue, 24 Oct 06 06:19 AM

<Although the concept of an international variety of English is a new one to me. >

I understood that.

  
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milky  #285414  Wed, 25 Oct 06 12:39 PM

Agree, or not?

"The only way to preserve the room for manoeuvre vital to any human communication is not by making sure that everyone speaks the same language, but by making sure that the linguistic semiotic capital of humankind remains as rich and diverse as possible."

C. Kramsch

  
MrPedantic  #285620  Thu, 26 Oct 06 12:31 AM
 Milky wrote:

"The only way to preserve the room for manoeuvre vital to any human communication is not by making sure that everyone speaks the same language, but by making sure that the linguistic semiotic capital of humankind remains as rich and diverse as possible."

Intriguing. A plea for richness and diversity of language; yet couched in the dreary impoverished blandese of a Select Committee report.

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milky  #285757  Thu, 26 Oct 06 10:04 AM
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Intriguing. A plea for richness and diversity of language; yet couched in the dreary impoverished blandese of a Select Committee report.

MrP

Hmm, Mr P seems to think academic papers and articles which are directed at a certain academic audience should not be written in the academic register.

  
milky  #286261  Fri, 27 Oct 06 01:27 PM

"Phillipson (1992) has shown how the institutionalized English teaching industry, dominated by native speaker countries, has created commodities called ESL and EFL for the disempowerment of other English speakers and how a reified myth of the native speaker has enabled some (native) English speakers to turn the English language and English teaching into a bigger weapon than Star Wars, and the English teaching industry into a cornerstone of the global capitalist system."

http://www.kyoto-su.ac.jp/information/tesl-ej/ej01/f.1.html

  
Tam Sadek  #287580  Mon, 30 Oct 06 09:04 PM
As we're talking 'Linguistic Imperialism', I thought this might be relevant to the discussion... It's an excerpt from something I wrote a few years ago regarding the British Council and its role in ELT...

“A knowledge of English gives rise in its turn to a desire to read English books, talk to British people, and learn about British life or some aspect of it… As a result… the British Council representative will receive many requests from people… who wish to visit the United Kingdom, usually to study some subject. From such applications are chosen the distinguished visitors… whom it is considered worth while to assist.” (Drogheda report summary as quoted in Donaldson, 1984, pp181-82)

The British government realised that if English language teaching overseas was to expand then special steps would have to be taken. However, there was a problem for the British Council in that it had little or no expertise in teaching English as a Foreign Language (EFL) in multilingual societies. This factor was to have major consequences for the way English Language Teaching (ELT) was to develop as both the Colonial Office and the Ministry of Education rejected the Council’s claims to educational expertise in this area.

Therefore in March 1956 An ‘Official Committee on the Teaching of English Overseas’, (TEO) which consisted of representatives from the Foreign Office, Scottish Office, Commonwealth Relations Office, Colonial Office, the Board of Trade, the Ministry of Education, the University Grants Committee and the British Council, reported to the Cabinet. The committee’s report was entitled ‘The Opportunity’ and it stated that:

“Opportunities unquestionably exist for increasing the use of English as a second language in most parts of the non-English speaking world… Within a generation from now English could be a world language – that is to say a universal second language in those countries in which it is not already the native or primary tongue… it is important that its expansion should take place mainly under Commonwealth and United States auspices” (as quoted in Phillipson, 1994, p149)

It may appear somewhat surprising that the United States is included as an ally in the battle for English domination; however, during the mid-fifties the threats to British English were perceived as alternative languages such as Arabic, Chinese and Hindi rather than American English. Although the report does note the threat from American cultural imperialism to traditional British export markets the report notes that “there was a preference overseas for the Queen’s English as opposed to American English” (Donaldson, 1984, p203) and the report goes on to state that:

“Britain has nothing to lose and much to gain by the closest possible collaboration with the United States.” (As quoted in Phillipson, 1994, p150)

This reflected the fact that American ELT and linguistics were far more developed than in Britain. This was due to America’s experience in Teaching English as a Second Language (TESL) to immigrants. Thus, the British Council and the State Department (the USA’s Foreign Office governmental equivalent) had already started co-ordinating strategy together and had even issued identical memos to their overseas offices endorsing co-operation between Britons and Americans in this field.

This report also marked a change in the policy of the British Council from that of ‘cultural’ to ‘educational’ affairs and from ‘developed’ to ‘developing’ countries (Pennycook, 1994, p148).

Pennycook further suggests that: “For Britain, it became especially useful to have a ‘non-governmental’ agency for continued cultural and political influence in the face of the demise of the colonial education service.” (Pennycook, 1994, p148)

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milky  #289434  Sun, 05 Nov 06 09:21 AM

“The English taught us English to turn us into subjects/ Now we teach ourselves English to turn into masters”.

Raghuvir Sahay 

  
Forbes  #292545  Mon, 13 Nov 06 01:58 PM

 Milky wrote:
Hmm, Mr P seems to think academic papers and articles which are directed at a certain academic audience should not be written in the academic register.

It seems to me that the goal of academic research should be to find out things that we do not know and then explain them to us in language we can understand. I often feel that in the social sciences it is the other way round: that we are told what we know in language we cannot understand.

  
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Cool Breeze  #292565  Mon, 13 Nov 06 02:36 PM
 Forbes wrote:

It seems to me that the goal of academic research should be to find out things that we do not know and then explain them to us in language we can understand. I often feel that in the social sciences it is the other way round: that we are told what we know in language we cannot understand.


Yes, indeed. I couldn't agree more. For anyone interested in an introduction to social sciences in plain English, C. Wright Mills's book The Sociological Imagination is a must.

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