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Gingie
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Wed, 27 Dec 06 02:57 PM
New Yorker wrote: | "fight against those who believe not in Allah; nor in the last day, nor forbid that which have been forbidden by Allah and his messenger Mohammed; and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth, Islam, among the people of the scripture." Who are the people of the scriptures? Jews and Christians. "you fight them until they pay the Gizia, the poll tax, the elevated tax, with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." This is very clear command for Muslims to go and fight Jews and Christians until they defeat them. And if the Christian and the Jew want to keep his religion, he should pay taxes to the Islamic government with his feeling of inferiority. I am a Christian but I am inferior. You, the Muslim, are superior. I am inferior. And you are protecting me, so I pay a poll tax, here is my tax. You buy your religion with taxes? Well, I commented on that verse in one of my books, and I said, "You can exchange Islam with taxes." It is very plain. Pay taxes, keep your Jewish religion or Christian religion. You can exchange Islam with taxes, money with Islam. And this is here, kill, kill, kill. See, and in many other verses, the Quran is saying what is the punishment of those who are against Allah and his messenger, Mohammed: to be crucified, to cut their hands and their legs, or to be cast away from the society. What kind of religion is that? Killing, killing, killing. Killing is not an invention of fanatics. Killing is in the Quran, and I want to let, to get anybody who is really honest to himself, and tell him, "Tell me, don't talk about friendship." It is very interesting to notice one thing, that in one of the verses of the Quran it says, "Muslims, do not befriend Jews or Christians." Period. But it came of the invasion of Iraq, of Kuwait. The Muslims forgot all about that. And they came to the Christian country, to the US, and said, "Please, help us." But the Quran said don't befriend them, don't ask for their protection, don't go to them for help! There is killing in the Quran, there is torture in the Quran; there is much pain for the people living under the Islamic society if they are Jews or Christians. They are! They are always looked at as second-class citizens. And they don't have the right to stand up and raise their head. They are inferior, and we are the superior, and that is it. I don't think that anybody who reads the Quran could deny what I have said. I mentioned the verse, verse after verse, after verse. But let me tell you, I didn't mention all the verse. There are a lot of verses that tell, that is telling the Muslim, "Go, torture, kill, go, fight, kill."
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New Yorker, in Islam the non-Muslims are categorized into four groups. The first one is Kafir Zimmi: the non-Muslims who are willingly choose to live in Islamic country and harmoniously live with the Muslims, for example, the non-Muslim Chinese and Indians that live in Malaysia, an Islamic country. And I would like to emphasise here, BY PAYYING FOR GIZIA DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN EXCHANGE ISLAM WITH TAXES. Have you ever heard the word “zakat”? Muslims have to pay for zakat, whereas non-Muslims (only for those that live in Islamic Country, I repeat, those that live in Islamic Country only: Kafir Zimi) have to pay for Gizia. Both, Zakat and Gizia are used to help the poor and the country’s growth. Logically, both, the Muslims and the non-Muslims (Kafir Zimi) use properties that are provided by the government such as public phones and toilets, so if you didn’t pay the Gizia (by the non-Muslim) and zakat (by Muslims), from where the government will get money to fix broken public properties etc? After all, not only Muslims in the country that use the public properties, the Kafir Zimmi do the same thing. So, it is fair. Muslims pay zakat. Non-Muslims (Kafir Zimi) pay Gizia.
The purpose of Gizia is not to prove whether the Muslims are superior or inferior. As I stated above, Gizia and Zakat are used to help the country’s growth etc. Please, don’t get confused.
The second category of the non-Muslims is Kafir Musta’man: the non-Muslims that run from their own country and seek protection from Islamic Country. (Who said the Muslims cannot help the non-Muslims? If we, the Muslims, have the ability to help others, we will do our best).
The third category is Kafir Mu’ahad: the non-Muslims that make agreements with Islamic country. “Mu`ahad” is the derivative of [‘ahada] which means make promise.
The fourth category is Kafir Harbi: the non-Muslims that always reveal their hesitation and confrontation towards Islamic countries. “Harbi” is the derivative of ‘Harb’ which means war.
New Yorker, you wrote that Muslims are forbidden to be friends with Jews and Christians. It is totally WRONG! You have translated the holly Quran incorrectly! Among the four categories of non-Muslims (as I’ve mentioned above), Muslims are only ADVICED not the be friends with Kafir Harbi as they always hate Muslims with no reasons, no matter if the Muslims tried their best to be gentle with them. So, I want to make correction. ALLAH NEVER ORDAINED MUSLIMS NOT TO BE FRIENDS WITH JEWS AND CHRISTIANS.
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Gingie
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Wed, 27 Dec 06 04:05 PM
friends, my words are sincere, come from the bottom of my heart. i want to let you guys know that i am not trying to be rude, i am not trying to insult any religions in this wide world. it is my greatest pleasure to be friends with everyone regardless of our different races and religions.but, it is my responsibility to protect Islam from any misunderstandings.
Sincerely,
Gingie.
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Super Sonic
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Mon, 01 Jan 07 05:35 PM
I am muslim and I dont hate the western world. Actually, I think, western people are the ones who hate muslims.
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Feebs11
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Tue, 02 Jan 07 09:42 PM
People in general don't hate "Muslims". On the other hand, they do find moralistic attitudes irritating. And any group that isolates itself within a society will find that communications break down. There is a saying "It takes two to tango" , and another that says "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". It would be a good thing if everyone kept these in mind. If I am in another country, I expect to obey their laws and not offend them. It would be wonderful if those from out of my country did the same here.
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Wied
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Wed, 03 Jan 07 10:45 AM
Gingie… salute for you...
How old are you? You are a junior member but your explanation is not a junior!
Gingie… don’t be afraid of losing our friend non Moslems here.
If there’s miss-perception from the other Non Moslem friends about Moslem, it’s only because they haven’t known Islam as should be.
Not because they rude, but they only don’t know the truth of Islam.
Please to everybody… don’t judge Islam by getting wrong information.
Don’t judge Islam from one’s act. It is unfair.
Please kindly get information from the true Qur’an.
It’s better for you to get the original version in Arabic and have an Imam to discuss with.
Don’t make opinion by getting from one statement and cutting the other, read the whole Qur’an and you will find that God trough the Qur’an never taught Moslems to hate and to fight Non Moslems.
New Yorker,
I’m Moslem and I’m proud to be.
I spent 11 years of my educational period in Christian school.
My ex boyfriend, someone I cannot get out of mind until now is Catholic.
My best friends are not just Moslems but Catholic and Buddha also.
You see… I’m Moslem and I love all.
Don’t judge others, even the atheist we don’t know God’s point to them.
It’s not our right to judge each others, that’s only the Right of God.
But, we, human… have right to think about faith and to find the right one.
God gives us brain to do so.
It’s so sad to see war in many places.
So let us live in peace and compete each other to do kindness.
I love you all my friends!
God bless you!
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Anonymous,
2 yr 323 days ago
Feebs11 wrote: | People in general don't hate "Muslims". On the other hand, they do find moralistic attitudes irritating. And any group that isolates itself within a society will find that communications break down.
There is a saying "It takes two to tango" , and another that says "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". It would be a good thing if everyone kept these in mind. If I am in another country, I expect to obey their laws and not offend them. It would be wonderful if those from out of my country did the same here.
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the topic is, why so many muslims hate the western world... do you want to know why..?? first, you guys insult our holy Quran just like how New Yorker wrote earlier..
to hate and to love is a normal feeling, rite..? but.. you don't have the right to critisice Islam and our holy Quran because you know nothing about it..
As you said earlier. "it takes two to tango.." ..will Muslims hate the western world if not because the western world hate the Muslims..?? --> after all, who started this topic, a muslim or a non-Muslim..? New Yorker ... hmmmm...
yeah.. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do.." .. hmmm... will you wear veil and other muslims attire when you are in Islamic countries..? i bet you will not.. from my observation, foreign tourists usually wear shorts and etc.. so, i don't think they really do as the Romans do when in Rome ...
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Gingie
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Wed, 03 Jan 07 03:55 PM
yes.. in my forthright opinion, i agree with you Weid.. our non-Muslim friends are not rude, it is only because they haven't known the truth of Islam.. i don't hate the non-Muslims.. i don't hate New Yorker.. because i know he didn't mean to insult Islam.. it is only because he doesn't really know Islam entirely.. i have Russian, Spanish, American and Indian friends who are non-Muslims and they are very nice to me.. thanks friends.. :-)
it is up to you to be a christian or a muslim.. but, here is my suggestion, if you want to do a research about Islam, please get the original version of Quran in arabic language and have a Imam (an islamic leader) to discuss with.. just like how Weid has said earlier..
sincerely,
Gingie ![Rose [F]](/emoticons/emotion-66.gif)
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Anonymous,
2 yr 323 days ago
look at what the west has done to muslims you'll know why, not all the west certainly, look how many muslims they've killed you'll know why who ruined our security? the british promised the jews to give them palestine and the patestinians have been suffering for the last 60 years the british army gave the places they have been in to the israelis they gave a great help and support for israel USA did as well by giving them weapons by killing us look what usa is doing in iraq just helping in making the situation worse and killing more iraqis while they claim that they are helping . look how many the british army killed in egypt. The west is giving a great support for israel in terms of money weapons and helping it in the mass murderers and the massacares without judging it nevertheless you will hear them saying muslims are terrorists. we are the terrorists ?have they forgotten what they've done to us?
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nona the brit
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Wed, 03 Jan 07 04:55 PM
You have to remember that there is a cultural difference here. In your culture it is not acceptable to criticise or question your religion.
In our culture is it perfectly acceptable to criticise and question any religion, including the ones that we follow ourselves as well as religions that we do not follow. It is seen as debate, not disrespect.
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The name says it all.
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