Mythical Lady wrote:

That wouldn't bring peace to us or to others. And perhaps you think what Islam has to do with improving social, political life (while most western people begin to lose faith and firmly believe in the separation of religion and state)  because Islam provides a complete way of life not only spiritually but socially and politically.

This is a huge part of the problem. A great majority of us, westerners, truly believe that the separation between state and religion is necessary, because we experienced what happens when they are deeply connected. Even the majority of people who play an active role in their churches, as I do, agree on that.

Don't tell me, please, that an Islamic state would never make the same mistakes as the ones made by old Christian states ... It would be too easy to disprove this argument, because many of them have already been made.

A non-religious state is more likely to ensure everybody is guaranteed the same rights. Just ask non-Islamic citizens who live in Islamic countries... To what extents are they free to profess their religion? And also, think of those who converted from Islam to Christianity in Islamic countries ... how many where sentenced to death? (I'm European and Christian, completely against death penalty, whichever the crime or supposed crime)

If you want an Islamic state, you're not willing to live in a multicultural and open society. You don't want to share your space with people who has beliefs different from yours, I believe.

Pidr1nhu wrote:

Hi Mythical Lady, You got my point, and yes you are right when saying about my desire to know about Islam which is being 'deteriorated' (if this is the right expression) by those who use this great religion as base to launch attacks.This static situation of horror is really complexed to be dealt with, all this continuous suffering contributes to greying one's horizon which leads to gloomy perspectives as ANONYMOUS cited: what can you expect from someone who have been suffering all over his life? but everything has a TURNABOUT and Brazil's slums represent this overwhelmingly. Slums were formed by oppresed peasants who migrated from poorer areas to great cities in search of better life and progress, however, what they did found was nothing, all the amazing stories of people who seized their opportunities and established their lives, living in comfort, faded on their memories. Years passed and what has been created among these slums was a strong odor of violence, prostitution, no health care system, no education at all, houses? not exactly houses, huts, very poor huts. What perspectives would you expect them to have? But not everybody is criminal, there you can find respect where you would never think it could have. Organized groups are working to reverse this situation, creating socializing classes to teach these people a job, an occupation, a life. By saying this you can think: what does it have to do with Iraq, we can draw a parallel, Brazil's have one of the biggest rates of violence due to these centers of crime, if i am not wrong, we are the second country in rank, our numbers of violence represent a silent civil war but as volunteers are trying to express: There is always a TURNABOUT.

i was talking about a war not povrety ,a WAR, a life's man which is full of violence since his childhood someone who lost his parents he is not told what is right or wrong besides having a poor country  please try to understand the situation it's not like what's is going is Brazil you have never been living in wars you haven't seen massacares so it's hard to say that Y is like X what is going in brazil is different see how iraqis and palestinians are living you'll know what i mean but i'm afraid that the media isn't making the right coverage of their awfull situation  i don't justify those ideas but this is the cause of this problem
hmm you can also notice there is criminals there in brazil as you said!so there is a negative part moreover the minority is going into that kind of actions not the majority  i hope a turnabout will happen i really wish so

Anonymous wrote:

Mythical Lady wrote: That wouldn't bring peace to us or to others. And perhaps you think what Islam has to do with improving social, political life (while most western people begin to lose faith and firmly believe in the separation of religion and state)  because Islam provides a complete way of life not only spiritually but socially and politically.  This is a huge part of the problem. A great majority of us, westerners, truly believe that the separation between state and religion is necessary, because we experienced what happens when they are deeply connected. Even the majority of people who play an active role in their churches, as I do, agree on that. Don't tell me, please, that an Islamic state would never make the same mistakes as the ones made by old Christian states ... It would be too easy to disprove this argument, because many of them have already been made. A non-religious state is more likely to ensure everybody is guaranteed the same rights. Just ask non-Islamic citizens who live in Islamic countries... To what extents are they free to profess their religion? And also, think of those who converted from Islam to Christianity in Islamic countries ... how many where sentenced to death? (I'm European and Christian, completely against death penalty, whichever the crime or supposed crime) If you want an Islamic state, you're not willing to live in a multicultural and open society. You don't want to share your space with people who has beliefs different from yours, I believe.

they are practicing their religion freely don't worry u can ask about it and there isn't any problem with that, obviously you don't know a lot about the islamic state they have their right to participate their religion for sure

it was only one who was sentenced to death  and it didn't happen and only 3 countires follow that rule not all of the islamic countries  who said  that many were sentenced to death?

yes i believe it's different you didn't live in it so you can't judge it  you don't know its history it wasn't like the old christian state (you didn't like it nor want it but muslims did)  and if this was right can you tell me why so many muslims are calling for an islamic state (who don't have it) as i know many wants it back if it was that bad no one will ask for it i'm muslim but i don't live in an islamic country (following the islamic rules) but in fact i want  my country to be islamicized i believe it's better

Anonymous wrote:

Pidr1nhu wrote: Hi Mythical Lady, You got my point, and yes you are right when saying about my desire to know about Islam which is being 'deteriorated' (if this is the right expression) by those who use this great religion as base to launch attacks.This static situation of horror is really complexed to be dealt with, all this continuous suffering contributes to greying one's horizon which leads to gloomy perspectives as ANONYMOUS cited: what can you expect from someone who have been suffering all over his life? but everything has a TURNABOUT and Brazil's slums represent this overwhelmingly. Slums were formed by oppresed peasants who migrated from poorer areas to great cities in search of better life and progress, however, what they did found was nothing, all the amazing stories of people who seized their opportunities and established their lives, living in comfort, faded on their memories. Years passed and what has been created among these slums was a strong odor of violence, prostitution, no health care system, no education at all, houses? not exactly houses, huts, very poor huts. What perspectives would you expect them to have? But not everybody is criminal, there you can find respect where you would never think it could have. Organized groups are working to reverse this situation, creating socializing classes to teach these people a job, an occupation, a life. By saying this you can think: what does it have to do with Iraq, we can draw a parallel, Brazil's have one of the biggest rates of violence due to these centers of crime, if i am not wrong, we are the second country in rank, our numbers of violence represent a silent civil war but as volunteers are trying to express: There is always a TURNABOUT. i was talking about a war not povrety ,a WAR, a life's man which is full of violence since his childhood someone who lost his parents he is not told what is right or wrong besides having a poor country  please try to understand the situation it's not like what's is going is Brazil you have never been living in wars you haven't seen massacares so it's hard to say that Y is like X what is going in brazil is different see how iraqis and palestinians are living you'll know what i mean but i'm afraid that the media isn't making the right coverage of their awfull situation  i don't justify those ideas but this is the cause of this problem hmm you can also notice there is criminals there in brazil as you said!so there is a negative part moreover the minority is going into that kind of actions not the majority  i hope a turnabout will happen i really wish so

Anonymous, you didn't get the meaning, poverty itself created the silent civil war (numbers of civil war, thousands killed each year mainly by firearm). Exactly how you described: a man's life full of violence since childhood, someone who lost his parents.....It happens in Brazil! kids who don't know the meaning of friendship, they live by theirselves, in a lingering terror situation, having to watch their backs to not be shot to death; THIS IS DAILY!

Okay , the situation aren't the same but I didn't say that, I just drawed a parallel. I can't and I would not want to imagine how is the present scenery of part of middle-east involved in confronts with western countries. I am glad you still hopes for a turnabout, you are already a CHAMPION...