I totally agree with the Imam regarding Islam being misunderstood. I hope some day or the other people realize this. Peace.

I was just reading the post by mobde3a where he or she said (some typo errors changed): “when u said that cause of 11/sep. case .... could i ask r u sure that muslims did really that??? u r not quite sure ...know why ?? cause bn laddin u were talking about adopted it not did that ....there is a different between did and adopted…”

I came across similar-sounding discussion quite often when I was traveling in Egypt last year, that is, that maybe some completely different group carried out the Sept 11 attacks. Some people, especially in Egypt where this was sort of a quasi-official government propaganda line, would really like to think that some parallel might emerge with the Timothy McVeigh bombing that took place in Oklahoma, and that people who happen to be of the muslim faith will be let off the hook for Sept 11 (Indeed, they already ARE off the hook – it is ONLY the terrorists who did this, not muslims in general, but that is not enough security for some people). In the case of Sept 11, though, this conspiracy theory (non-muslim bombers carried out the Sept. 11 attacks it but the US government maliciously blamed some muslims instead) is a hopeless case – it is perfectly well known who actually carried out the attacks. I’m not talking about Bin Laden, but about Mohammed Atta, hijacker-pilot of AA 11, Hani Hanjour, hijacker-pilot of AA77, Ziad Shamir Zarrah, hijacker-pilot of UA 93, Marwan al Shehhi, hijacker-pilot of UA flight 175, and their accomplices.

I’m all in favour of being skeptical about what you read in the newspapers, but in this case too much checking has been done by too many people of opposite viewpoints, and it is clear that the someone-else-did-it conspiracy theory is just wishful thinking. Muslims, like members of all other religions, have to be sophisticated enough (and most already are, but not all, as in many other groups) to realize that seemingly devout people raised in their own faith can do evil things. 9/11-denial is psychologically similar to holocaust denial, which is mainly propagated by people like Canada’s Ernst Zundel who can’t stand to believe that Germans could do such a nasty thing.

Evil can subvert people from all races and religions.

Incidentally, to Ryan, who earlier challenged Conus’s use of the term ‘evil’ and said anyone who used it had a lot of explaining to do, and then asked “what is evil?” -- Concepts like good and evil arise because they fit certain observed patterns of actions and their consequences, and though one can argue, with wide range, about what they should really be applied to, their use becomes ever more clear as you get to ever more extreme examples that fit the patterns. (To be technical, they are typological concepts). It is easy to call a caring mother’s generosity good, hard to call it evil. It is easy to call the Columbine massacre evil, hard to call it good. A possible definition of evil is given elsewhere on the web: “the extreme form of self-distraction,” with self-distraction being the attitude of being so caught up in your own interests that you can’t even see other people clearly enough to consider being fair or generous to them, and material evil in that context consisting of causing grievous harm to others on that basis. Then you could say “there are many degrees of ‘extreme’ or ‘grievous’ – if I deliberately step quite hard on someone’s toe on the subway because I’m in a rush and they’re standing in my way, is that evil?” but that’s rather like asking “what is ‘real’?” in the statement “he was a real man.” You can’t deal with typologies by asking questions about definitions or fixed limits; they are inherently based on a sliding scale. There is an element of “really, really, really bad” about ‘evil’ that can’t be avoided. How many times “really” needs to be repeated to attain the absolute truth of evil can’t be specified -) !! Perhaps if you crushed the person’s foot in your vengeful commuter haste, we could say you had done evil; an ordinary stepped-on toe might only qualify as nasty and somewhat shameful. 9/11 seems to have gone well beyond nasty and somewhat shameful, so I support Conus’s use of ‘evil’ to describe it.

good evening all....


well i think i told u am arabic but not muslim so am not that good in english....i didnt born in an english land to speak english very well as most of u ...


let me repeat what i was saying...


r all of ur fingers in the same size...???...so as ppl...muslims jews or christians ....they rn't the same ....


ok rn't intolrance in all of the three religions??? ...plz dont answer in no there isn't...

am not defensing islam ....but dont judge on anything when u dont know about...

the 11 sep. case r opened now ... i didnt read in in newspaper ... i have some relation in americane army ...

and plz i would say it now and repeat it over and over.... dont judge from ur chair....seek about the truth ...seek about islam ...to know what is it ....


in some americane british movie the whole staff joined islam ...do u know why??...cause the movie was talking badly about the prophet ... many ppl didnt get it...so smart ones seek about islam ...and knew alot that u dont know.... and then God chose them to join islam...

and remember.... it not ur choise to join any of the three religion ...if God chose one of u ... u will be the one.....


thnx all for listening....and thnx for those whome didn't ;isten ...i know i cant argue with some unopen mind who dont want to seek about the true even if it is not inside thier mind...

Hello everyone,
It’s been a while since I’ve been here; been a hectic couple months.
Well Bratannia that is a matter of opinion. At first I fully supported Operation Iraqi Freedom, but now I’m pretty neutral on the war… I mean too many bad things have happened. Bush did keep his promise, however, and granted the transfer or Iraqi governmental sovereignty. I’m glad to see the conflict come to an end, but I feel American and British troops should stay stationed in Iraq to help defend the young government, and to assist in the training of Iraqi troops, which they are, and have been doing.
The attack on the Word Trade Center was the last straw for the US. The United States was attacked on too many occasions by terrorists during the Clinton administration, and Clinton tried to work diplomatically, but in the long run it would never work. Ultimately and sadly, war was the only way.
The terrorists who planned the 9/11 attack tried to shake and loosen American moral, but they failed miserably. Heck, they did just the opposite; 9/11 brought America together and showed Americans how precious liberty is. Almost every house in America now has a US flag outside everyday.
In our modern world we face a new enemy, a cowardly enemy that neither plays by the rules of warfare nor has compassion for democracy and human life. Terrorism will always be with us, and the war on terrorism will sadly be a never-ending war.

muslims r forbidden to murder any one without any reason

So are Christians...unfortunately, the ratio of "radical Christians" that are bent on dominating the world in one way or another is much higher than the ratio of "radical Muslims" that are bent on doing so.

Let's face it...the so-called Christians that are killing people for land, for oil, for whatever agendas they have aren't abiding by the teachings of Jesus...anybody who reads the Bible will see that.

So, "radical Muslims" and "Christians" that are fighting in war...they're one and the same in my opinion. Neither group is superior in its actions or how it lives up to it's supposed belief system.