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Guest,
5 yr 54 days ago
Perhaps people are taking their frustrations out in this forum. To say that anything is all the same is rediculous. All Muslims, all Americans, all women, all men. It's just not possible to make that line stick. There is good and bad with everything on this whole Earth. Maybe some have had worse experiences with some people so it is easy for them to say that, but still it is not true.
Guest,
4 yr 357 days ago
After the 9/11 tragedy that has befallen the almighty USA, the western world seem to perceive all muslims as terrorists. Muslims do not hate the western world, that is a misconception that has become a stereotype due to an epidemic of negative media. Islam is a religion that has been used by terrorists such as bin laden to cause destruction; however, it is a religion built on the very foundations of peace. If Muslims hate the western world then I doubt Americans would have a base in Kuwait. If Muslims hate the western world then I doubt Mcdonalds and starbucks would exist in the Middle East. If Muslims hate the western world then I doubt Islam would be their true religion.
I ask, is it Muslims that hate the western world or is it the other way round?
- Disney's Alladin is famous against kids, but has anyone heard the opening track? “Oh I come from a land, from a far away place, where the caravan camels roam, where they cut off your ear, If they don’t like your face, It’s barbaric, but hey, It’s home”
- Bill O’Reilly of Fox News is evidently not a serious journalist in respect to people. When he interviewed President Bush on September 27th, 2004, regarding the war in Iraq, O’Reilly’s first question was, "Are you surprised they don't appreciate the American sacrifice more?" (Bush talks to O’Reilly). In his opinion, Iraqi people should appreciate the deaths of 37,000 innocent civilians, the torture and humiliation of prisoners at Abu Ghuraib, the fact that American troops plagued Iraq with uranium, the invasion of their country, and the destruction of the Iraqi infrastructure. Unfortunately, Bill O’Reilly is a popular reporter amongst the American people. If this biased attitude is being taken seriously by the nation, then hate crimes against Arabs and Muslims will persist. This ignorant reporter is feeding a nation with thoughts of suspicion, and ingratitude.
- When CNN did a poll, nearly a third of Americans surveyed supported concentration camps for Arab-Americans. Peter Kirsanow, a U.S. civil rights commission member, affirmed on the news that American-Arabs can forget about their civil rights if another terrorist incident transpires. If a person who represents civil rights thinks in such a negative way, then a third of the American people may be pardoned for their heinous beliefs: that American-Arabs should be put into concentration camps.
- Travelers who have Arab surnames often are subjected to more intensive searches than other passengers at airports, a practice some have dubbed TWA (Traveling While Arab).” (El Nasser 2) With the intention of avoiding lawsuits, U.S. customs inform Arab and Muslim passengers that they are chosen for a “random check.” How “random” are these inspections, if they occur every time an Arab or a Muslim arrives at the airport?
- FBI reports of hate crimes show a dramatic increase of hate crimes after the 9/11 tragedy, especially towards Arabs and Muslims, and others thought to be Muslims or Arabs.
- The Oklahoma city bombing and the TWA crash are minor examples of how Arabs and Muslims have been depicted in an immoral portrait by Westerners.
The two million American criminals in American jails do not represesent the American majority; and Osama bin Laden with his terrorists are do not represent Islam or Arabs and they never will. There is a significant difference between knowledge and ignorance, it is this difference that makes people presume that Arabs and Muslims hate the western world.
Guest,
4 yr 354 days ago
To me all this reads as the displaced elder brother syndrome: God made a covenant with Abraham. The covenant then followed with Isaac, not Ishmael(the elder brother). Then the covenant followed with Jacob(Israel) not Esau (who sold his birthright to Jacob). Next the covenant followed with Joseph (Rueben the elder brother had disqualified by sleeping with one of his father's wives. Then Jacob blessed Ephraim with the birthright of Abraham, not Manaseh the elder brother..and so on until the migration of some Israelites to the American continent where the displaced elder brother syndrome still persisted where finally the "elder brother" wiped out most of his younger brother's seed in a rage.
The point is God chooses who is or will be his covenant people and it is up to us to acknowledge his hand in all things and not try to destroy his covenant people but to JOIN THEM and build the land. I believe that when the State of Israel was being established Palestinians were offered to join in with Israel and become one people, but human pride being what it is no way were they going to do that. I believe the Israelis then offered to buy the lands from the Palestinians but no way either( they were advised by their neighboring muslim countries not to yield one grain of sand. Nor did the neigboring Muslim countries offered their palestinian brothers to take refuge with them(how about that) So what do they do? make trouble for Israel such pride and hatred up to this day.
Know this, then, Israel is God's own firstborn people, they have suffered for their rebellion and probably will do so, but he remembers his covenant with them. Advice: Join with Israel and I believe all these things will go away.
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Tue, 07 Dec 04 01:11 PM
Please can we stay with English which is what this forum is about. If we have any more comments about one religion being greater than the other we shall delete the post. Also no religious propaganda or the same action will be taken. Peace be with you all.
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well i am a muslim girl. i really care about the peace all over the world. western people perhaps have bad brief about muslims. they think that muslims hate western. In my point of view that western people are really nice people and I dont hate them or try to hate them because they dont hurt us. I am talking to the public city not the administrations. Maybe I can say that the presedent os US is really a disaster to the world specially the Israel and their army.
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Mon, 03 Jan 05 10:13 AM
hello
I'm a muslem boy who love my religion so i believe sth that is true.
we don't hate the western world 'cos we use your achievements as well as you at the time you kill your scientists for their believes.!!
at that time muslems like EBN-E-SINA was a doctor and cure people with his knowledge.
Okay.
Duuno why Americans think they are King of the world.
I think they've believed their fiction films Like TERMINATORs. if it's true I should say I' very sorry for them.
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Thu, 06 Jan 05 04:46 PM
In a sense muslims don't HATE the western world, they see them as enemies to their religion. In the Ko'ran there are two kinds of conflict, conflict ot better yourself, and conflict to fight enemies of the faith. If the western world continues to force their culture everyone, muslims extremists will continue to fight it.
For example if Walmart or American Eagle decideds to open a store in a poor, third world country, then grocers and tailor will go out of buisness. Not to say that this is a bad thing but the muslim world certainly thinks that western civilization is destroying their culture.
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Tue, 25 Jan 05 01:42 PM
The amount of ignorance, bigotry, assumption, accusation, and misguided foolishness on this post is truly astounding. When I read the title I was intrigued; I entered thinking: "surely this is a joke. Surely I am on a forum where the average intelligence of the contributors is great enough to recognise propaganda, false accusation, war-mongoring and hypocrisy when it occurs. Sadly I am wrong, perhaps my expectations of humanity are too high.
Osama Bin Laden, I mean seriously... he's the modern day boogie man. Better all run and hide from the scary arab. Better look the other way so you won't see the real atrocities happening everyday. Better keep consuming because having nice things make you feel safe, and if the TV shows any images you don't like you can always turn it over. Oprah and Dr. Phil talk about the really important issues. It's better for me to learn about Jen and Brad's break up. Now that really is tragic!
So many Moslems... How many? what gives you that idea? Fox News. That's a ridiculous statement. But it's alright, you've got a friend who's a Moslem so your obviously a well rounded individual. It's a line straight from the depths of South African Apartheit: I don't hate blacks, our housekeeper is one.
Perhaps the resentment shown toward 'the Western World' or as we might otherwise call it 'America' is a result of the continued lack of respect shown in American foreign policy. The American War of Independance was fought to remove the chains of English colonialism, but enough time has passed so now America doesn't realise the terrible consequences for the colonised country. However in respect to the wishes of the moderator I will refrain from elaborating on the many sins of American foreign policy... other than to point out that the hideously expensive 'war on terror' has cost many millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives, and the prime suspect, the neighbourhood boogieman is at large. It's l;ike a child telling his parents he was scared of the boogieman who lived in his closet... so the parents burn down the house next door and the house across the road, but the boogieman still lives in the closet.
As to the religious arguments... go do some research, the level of earnest ignorance is embarrassing. Judaism, Christianity, and Mohammadism all agree. They're like three different flavours of icecream... they make look different at a casual glance, they may taste different to those eating them, but it's all icecream. All believe in a single God (Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah) and all follow his teaching, as told by different messengers. Study the history of the religions before going off making half-cocked nonsense comments.
To tie all this back to English language:
How can you wage a war on terror? or drugs? or crime? These are concepts... surely war can only be waged on nations... is this figurative language, metaphor, or just hyperbole?
Define 'terrorist'
Can the concept of a hero exist without a villain? i.e: could there be Bond without Dr. No. Superman without Lex Luther? What would a hero do if the world was never in peril? Is it therefore acceptable to create a villain so that a hero may be born?
Can democracy be installed by force? Can a people truly be given power through the subjugation of their culture by outside forces? or must democracy grow from the rebellious nature of human society (as Machievelli would argue)?
Can anyone restate the title line in a rational or logical form; free from generalisation, hyperbole, emotive language, or juvenile attempts at persuasive technique?
Apologies for the sarcasm, I couldn't help myself sometimes.
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Tue, 25 Jan 05 03:35 PM
| How can you wage a war on terror? or drugs? or crime? These are concepts... surely war can only be waged on nations... is this figurative language, metaphor, or just hyperbole? |
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A nation is also a concept. To speak of a concept as though it is a tangible object is to reify the concept. Yes, it is figurative language.
The idea of war between nations is a very dangerous one. It is often used by terrorist leaders to give a false moral backing to their fight; for example in the cases of antagonism between the IRA and English, the Hammas and the Israelis, Al'Qaeda and the Allies, and the ETA and the Spaniards.
Note that nowhere is it the case that there is one nation versus another. The terrorists groups claim to be representatives of an entire nation, but even though they are not, it is still perceived in this way by some people. Therefore it is no longer the Hammas versus the Israelis, or Al'Qaeda versus the Allies, but the the entire Moslem world versus the entire Western world.
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When a government is deposed, a power vacuum is created. Unless the vacuum is properly filled, which sadly does require enforced peace (something of a contradiction in terms, but the UN Peacekeeping Forces don't carry guns for nothing), a dictator will see this as a chance to take hold of the state. Examples include Idi Amin in Uganda, and Stalin in Russia.
The idea of a peacekeeping presence (normally labelled 'occupation' by media) within a state is to cut out the transitory dictatorial phase between revolution and democracy, and just go straight from deposition to democracy.
Peacekeeping forces in Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution would have saved the lives of the twenty million Russians who were put to death by Stalin. Obviously this must be seen in the context of the time: the Russians didn't have an inkling as to what Stalin was up to, and would have seen a peacekeeping presence as tantamount to invasion.
If the US forces were to pull out of Iraq before a stable democracy is created (as the British forces did in Uganda), a power vacuum would be created, and we would simply have another Kalashnikov-waving lunatic, just like the last one.
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The subjugation of terrorism is not the subjugation of a culture. Terrorists take power away from the people they claim to represent, and subjugate them to years of needless torture. The Irish themselves are powerless in the face of the IRA, just as the Iraqis are powerless in the presence of religious extremists.
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No, but when something bad (villainous) happens, that's when people try to come up with ways to solve the problem. It doesn't happen in reverse, as you are insinuating.
As for the title, look at what it has inspired: arguments against the idea of prejudice. The concept of intelligence cannot exist without the concept of ignorance.
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