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New2grammar  #520578  Thu, 29 May 08 04:25 PM

Hi Yoong Liat, thanks for following up on this. I totally agree with Nona. However, it seems like Feebs disagrees with Nona based on my interpretation. If Feebs agrees with Nona, I've no further questions.

  
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Grammar Geek  #520581  Thu, 29 May 08 04:36 PM

I'm neither Feebs nor Nona, but I am in complete agreement with Nona.

You would not use "marry my wife" for the future, but you absolutely use it for the past. You can even use it for your ex-spouse.

* Next month, I will marry my wife - NO.

I married my ex-husband 18 years ago this month. I married my current husband four and a half years ago.

I think Nona's example about talking about your mother when she was a child and still referring to her as your mother is a good analogy.

 

 

  
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New2grammar  #520586  Thu, 29 May 08 04:44 PM

Thank you, GG for clearing this up. Thanks, Yong Liat, Tanit, Nona and Feebs.

  
Goodman  #520587  Thu, 29 May 08 04:45 PM
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Hi Yoong Liat, thanks for following up on this. I totally agree with Nona. However, it seems like Feebs disagrees with Nona based on my interpretation. If Feebs agrees with Nona, I've no further questions.




"He married his (present) wife for money. --There is nothing wrong in this contex. But one can eliminate any possibility of misunderstanding
by saying" he married so and so who now is his present wife for money".
Or
" I married my gilfriend whom I had dated for 5 years and is now my wife".
  
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Yoong Liat  #520601  Thu, 29 May 08 05:22 PM

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"He married his (present) wife for money. --There is nothing wrong in this contex. But one can eliminate any possibility of misunderstanding
by saying" he married so and so who now is his present wife for money".
Or
" I married my gilfriend whom I had dated for 5 years and is now my wife".

Hi Goodman,

I completely agree with you. Despite the fact that 'He married his wife' is correct, I agree that your version is better.

  
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Yoong Liat  #520605  Thu, 29 May 08 05:30 PM

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You would not use "marry my wife" for the future, but you absolutely use it for the past. You can even use it for your ex-spouse.

* Next month, I will marry my wife - NO.

I married my ex-husband 18 years ago this month. I married my current husband four and a half years ago.

Hi Barbara

Thanks for your clear and detailed explanation.

When I objected to "married my (current) wife",  I was thinking of the marriage which will take place in the future. How could one marry someone who is already one's wife? But with your explanation, the picture is clear to me and, I believe, New2grammar.

 

 

 

  
Dawnstorm  #520612  Thu, 29 May 08 05:45 PM
 
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I think Nona's example about talking about your mother when she was a child and still referring to her as your mother is a good analogy.

 First,. let me say that I agree usage-wise Nona and you. I also think that the mother-example is a good one - but it's not a perfect one.

 It's a good one, because it demonstrates the difference between the time of action and the time of speaking. Noun references are routinely rooted in the present, even in past tense senteces, and the mother-example demonstrates that.

But there is a cognitive difference in "married his wife", as there is a semantic relationship between the verb "marry" and the noun "wife", in so far as the act of marrying results in wife-status. So it's quite possible that individual speakers (native speakers, even) have an intuitive correctness condition that doesn't allow the word "wife" as the object of the verb "marry", quite independent of tense. To summarise, I think part of the argument is lexical: what sort of words can the verb "marry" select as direct objects?

 The thing is, disliking "wife" as the direct object of "marry" is reasonable. It's somewhat similar to "The Queen knighted the knight." (but without the etymological close relation that adds to the oddness). Or, "The army conscripted the soldier." Or "The jury pronounced the prisoner guilty."

 It's an interesting discussion, really. Since "married his wife" doesn't sound odd to me at all (I'm not a native speaker), and since native speakers agree, I wonder why the tense relation between verb and noun-naming can override nosensical direct-object relation. (I do think it's a disjunction between the time-levels that's at issue here; the noun-reference is firmly in the present - referring to a specific person.)

  
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Grammar Geek  #520617  Thu, 29 May 08 05:57 PM

Dawn, I'm sorry, but I can't follow you. What do you mean, a "nonsensical direct-object relation"?

 

  
Feebs11  #520668  Thu, 29 May 08 10:49 PM
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Hi Feebs 

Feebs11
 You marry your girlfriend and are married to your wife.

... are married to your wife.

But would it be correct to say "Your married your wife"?  (New2grammar has found 'married his current wife' in a link.)

I would appreciate your comment.

Many thanks.

 

 

Of course - I married my wife last year; you married your wife ten years ago today; He married his current wife just after he divorced the one before.

 

 

  
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