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english maven  #521070  Fri, 30 May 08 10:16 PM
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I'm not - at all - saying it's incorrect by the rules of English,
(This response is directed to Goodman.)


Dear EM,
Your message is well taken. I can appreciate your especially delivered response. I sort of expected it that when I tossed in my two cents.
Perhaps it's because of my non-native origin, I had to pay extra  attention to learning all the nitty-gritty aspects of English. From years of studies, I have learned that good and sensible English is governed, not only by grammar but also by logic and context, not by pickiness. Having said that, I’d like to clarify if this is in fact what you meant in your earlier p
ost “Personally, for me, I find it incorrect usage”. That’s all!


First off, because you're a native speaker of English, doesn't mean you actually know the rules of English.  I just want to clarify that.  My friends and fellow students - native speakers - make a plethora of errors when speaking and writing, on numerous occasions.  No one person will agree on everything, everyone is picky.  For example, there is a sentence which is indeed alright without a comma, but it wouldn't hurt to place one in the sentence, it's your choice.  This is decided on your personal preference or pickiness.  Yes and no, I wouldn't use the word wife, but I wouldn't say using it would be incorrect.  I guess I have to be more descriptive with people, I apologize.
  
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Goodman  #521079  Fri, 30 May 08 11:13 PM
>>>First off, because you're a native speaker of English, doesn't mean you actually know the rules of English <<<<

 

Hi English maven,

On that note, I have 2 points to make. 1) I am not sure if you had noticed what I said in my last post. I am not a “native” by definition. However, if there is such a term, I may be called an “adapted native” who had learned English from the alphabets up  and  have worked over 20 years in the tech business. And secondly, your point  is mine exactly.  And I don’t mean this with disrespect but merely a fact. Many natives practice non-standard form of English.  There is no need for apology.  In forum like this, disagreement is common. 

Let’s just say we agree to disagree. No harm done!

 

 

  
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english maven  #521090  Sat, 31 May 08 12:24 AM
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>>>First off, because you're a native speaker of English, doesn't mean you actually know the rules of English <<<<

 

Hi English maven,

On that note, I have 2 points to make. 1) I am not sure if you had noticed what I said in my last post. I am not a “native” by definition. However, if there is such a term, I may be called an “adapted native” who had learned English from the alphabets up  and  have worked over 20 years in the tech business. And secondly, your point  is mine exactly.  And I don’t mean this with disrespect but merely a fact. Many natives practice non-standard form of English.  There is no need for apology.  In forum like this, disagreement is common. 

Let’s just say we agree to disagree. No harm done!

I know you're not a native speaker.  When I said, "First off, because you're a native speaker of English, doesn't mean you actually know the rules of English..."  I didn't mean you; I was making a generalization about native speakers.  I agree, many native speakers don't have a clue about "proper" English.  Now, I'm not saying I'm perfect, as I am still a student in high school.  Regardless, I have enough (maybe even more) knowledge of the English language to be placed into honors English.

  
Pter  #521146  Sat, 31 May 08 02:49 AM
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I wouldn't say "I married my wife" is incorrect.  It is just incomplete.

I agree. Whether you see it as incomplete or lacking in context, the fact is "I married my wife", as it stands, is not logical.

Hi YL,

Then do you find my other examples illogical?  For example,

    We recruited our employees through an agent.

Note that at the time you recruited them, they were not yet employees.  Can you re-write it by NOT using the word employee in a way that is logical to you and still sounds natural to most people?

 

 

 

  
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