Viceidol  +  491402 Fri, 21 Mar 08 12:28 PM Sam thought that his wallet will have been found by one of the villagers. Sam thought that his wallet would have been found by one of the villagers. Sam thought that his wallet shall have been found by one of the villagers. Sam thought that his wallet should have been found by one of the villagers.  May I ask if the version of "will/shall have been" is acceptable? (I think the version of "would/should have done" is acceptable. But I'm not sure about the other two.) Please give me your opinion, thank you!   Viceidol Joined on Wed, Jul 11 2007 Taiwan Regular Member 540

	Marius Hancu  +  491468 Fri, 21 Mar 08 04:16 PM Yes, possible but with a meaning different from would (which here expresses the idea that under normal circumstances, it's expected that the wallet was found, one can make that assumption):  -- Will have + past participle: to express certainty or confidence about the past Dear Sir, You will recently have received a form Swan, Practical English Usage, will  --  Marius Hancu Joined on Wed, Apr 26 2006 Veteran Member 11,673

	CalifJim  +  491489 Fri, 21 Mar 08 05:11 PM Viceidol “if the version of "will/shall have been" is acceptable?” Not to my ear.  thought that and knew that are almost never followed by can, may, will, or shall. CJ  CalifJim Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004 California Veteran Member 22,045 "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche

	Marius Hancu  +  491541 Fri, 21 Mar 08 07:35 PM Let's start with Faulkner, shall we? Essays, Speeches & Public Letters - Page 41 by William Faulkner, James B. Meriwether - 1966   And he would rise and dress and drive in to the village; he would even drive through the village although he knew that everything there will have long been ...   --------     A Place Called Mississippi: Collected Narratives - Page 123by Marion Barnwell - History - 1997 And he would rise and dress and drive in to the village; he would even drive through the village although he knew that everything there will have long been ... -------------   This first is from a document prepared seemingly for a department of the British governement:   DEVELOPMENT PUBLIC ATTITUDES TOWARDS DEVELOPMENT - July 2004 Just over one-fifth (23%) of respondents said that they thought that no progress will have been made towards this goal. ...     Zechariah 26) who have thought that hopes to this effect will have been cherished at least among some groups and that 6.9-15 refers to them; more ...     Amerasia - Page 391 For I myself have always thought that destiny will have been generous to America if a hundred years from now historians can write of America that it was a ... Marius Hancu Essays

	CalifJim  +  491587 Fri, 21 Mar 08 09:49 PM  How does that compare with the corresponding frequency count for thought ... would?  About the same? CJ  CalifJim