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Gencebay90  #426997  Thu, 04 Oct 07 02:46 PM
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If you blindly trust that guy, why did you ask us that question?
Koh has given you a detailed explanation, but you choose to ignore it. Sad [:(]

No, I never ignored it; do not misunderstand. The guy that I trust is not an ordinary guy and also If I blindly trusted him, I would have never opened a thread here

  
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Yoong Liat  #427000  Thu, 04 Oct 07 02:55 PM
 Gencebay90 wrote:
 WesternAmerican wrote:

If you blindly trust that guy, why did you ask us that question?
Koh has given you a detailed explanation, but you choose to ignore it. Sad [:(]


No, I never ignored it; do not misunderstand. The guy that I trust is not an ordinary guy and also If I blindly trusted him, I would have never opened a thread here



Do you think our native speaker members are ordinary guys, and your friend is extraordinary?  I've very high regard for the native speaker members of this Forum who sacrifice their time to help non-native speaker members like me.

If what I'd written is wrong, they would not have hesitated to correct me. Be assured.
  
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Gencebay90  #427009  Thu, 04 Oct 07 03:22 PM
 Yoong Liat wrote:
 Gencebay90 wrote:
 WesternAmerican wrote:

If you blindly trust that guy, why did you ask us that question?
Koh has given you a detailed explanation, but you choose to ignore it. Sad [:(]


No, I never ignored it; do not misunderstand. The guy that I trust is not an ordinary guy and also If I blindly trusted him, I would have never opened a thread here



Do you think our native speaker members are ordinary guys, and your friend is extraordinary?  I've very high regard for the native speaker members of this Forum who sacrifice their time to help non-native speaker members like me.

If what I'd written is wrong, they would not have hesitated to correct me. Be assured.

I have never meant something like that and to me native speakers are always better than non-native speakers and I am expecting their responses

Smile [:)]

  
Yoong Liat  #427013  Thu, 04 Oct 07 03:30 PM
 Gencebay90 wrote:
 Yoong Liat wrote:
 Gencebay90 wrote:
 WesternAmerican wrote:

If you blindly trust that guy, why did you ask us that question?
Koh has given you a detailed explanation, but you choose to ignore it. Sad [:(]


No, I never ignored it; do not misunderstand. The guy that I trust is not an ordinary guy and also If I blindly trusted him, I would have never opened a thread here



Do you think our native speaker members are ordinary guys, and your friend is extraordinary?  I've very high regard for the native speaker members of this Forum who sacrifice their time to help non-native speaker members like me.

If what I'd written is wrong, they would not have hesitated to correct me. Be assured.

I have never meant something like that and to me native speakers are always better than non-native speakers and I am expecting their responses

Smile [:)]


I believe our native speaker members are very alert and very fast  in spotting errors. I think they should have pointed out my mistake long ago if there was one in relation to your topic.

Best wishes.

  
Goodman  #427027  Thu, 04 Oct 07 04:44 PM

Hi Guys,

It’s raining buckets and you have a BBQ planned in your back yard. You’d say “I wish It weren’t raining…” This is subjunctive, not indicative; so “was” is incorrect although it’s frequently misused

  
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Gencebay90  #427179  Thu, 04 Oct 07 11:01 PM
thank you
  
Yoong Liat  #427366  Fri, 05 Oct 07 12:02 PM
 Goodman wrote:

Hi Guys,

It’s raining buckets and you have a BBQ planned in your back yard. You’d say “I wish It weren’t raining…” This is subjunctive, not indicative; so “was” is incorrect although it’s frequently misused



I wish it weren’t raining.
I wish it wasn’t raining.

Which English authority says that the second sentence is wrong?
  
Goodman  #427488  Fri, 05 Oct 07 05:15 PM
 Yoong Liat wrote:
 Goodman wrote:

Hi Guys,

It’s raining buckets and you have a BBQ planned in your back yard. You’d say “I wish It weren’t raining…” This is subjunctive, not indicative; so “was” is incorrect although it’s frequently misused



I wish it weren’t raining.
I wish it wasn’t raining.

Which English authority says that the second sentence is wrong?


Liat, here is your answer:

English Grammar: Subjunctive (EnglishClub.com)

(The were form is correct at all times.) Informal ... I wish it were longer. I wish it was longer.

 We usually use the subjunctive were instead of "was" after if (and other words with similar meaning). Look at these sentences:

  • If I were you, I would ask her.
  • Suppose she were here. What would you say?

Why do we say "I were", "he were"?

We sometimes hear things like "if I were you, I would go" or "if he were here, he would tell you". Normally, the past tense of the verb "to be" is: I was, he was. But the if I were you structure does not use the past simple tense of the verb "to be". It uses the past subjunctive of the verb "to be". In the following examples, you can see that we often use the subjunctive form were instead of "was" after:

  • if
  • as if
  • wish
  • suppose

 

Is this authoritative enough?

Wink [;)]

  
Yoong Liat  #427523  Fri, 05 Oct 07 06:48 PM
 Goodman wrote:
 Yoong Liat wrote:
 Goodman wrote:

Hi Guys,

It’s raining buckets and you have a BBQ planned in your back yard. You’d say “I wish It weren’t raining…” This is subjunctive, not indicative; so “was” is incorrect although it’s frequently misused



I wish it weren’t raining.
I wish it wasn’t raining.

Which English authority says that the second sentence is wrong?


Liat, here is your answer:

English Grammar: Subjunctive (EnglishClub.com)

(The were form is correct at all times.) Informal ... I wish it were longer. I wish it was longer.

 We usually use the subjunctive were instead of "was" after if (and other words with similar meaning). Look at these sentences:

  • If I were you, I would ask her.
  • Suppose she were here. What would you say?

Why do we say "I were", "he were"?

We sometimes hear things like "if I were you, I would go" or "if he were here, he would tell you". Normally, the past tense of the verb "to be" is: I was, he was. But the if I were you structure does not use the past simple tense of the verb "to be". It uses the past subjunctive of the verb "to be". In the following examples, you can see that we often use the subjunctive form were instead of "was" after:

  • if
  • as if
  • wish
  • suppose

 

Wink [;)]  Is this authoritative enough?



We can use 'wish' to express regrets - to say that we would like things to be different. We use a past tense with a present meaning in this case.
I wish I was better-looking.
I wish it wasn't raining.

In a formal style, we can use 'were' instead of 'was' after 'I wish'.
I wish I were better-looking.

(Basic English Usage by Michael Swan)

Based on the above, it is wrong to say using 'was' after 'wish' is wrong. It is informal.



  
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