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Anonymous  #574067  Tue, 07 Oct 08 12:01 PM
I've noticed that the Japanese people smile a lot.
or
I've noticed that Japanese people smile a lot.

Which one?
  
Yoong Liat  #574074  Tue, 07 Oct 08 12:55 PM

Anonymous
I've noticed that the Japanese people smile a lot.
or
I've noticed that Japanese people smile a lot.

Which one?

I've noticed that the Japanese smile a lot.

  
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Anonymous  #574075  Tue, 07 Oct 08 01:04 PM
In my opinion, "I`ve noticed that the Japanese people smile a lot" is betther than "I`ve noticed that Japanese people smile a lot"
  
Cool Breeze  #574077  Tue, 07 Oct 08 01:20 PM
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I've noticed that the Japanese people smile a lot.
or
I've noticed that Japanese people smile a lot.

 

There is usually no grammatical reason to use the article if the reference is to Japanese people in general, not to a specific group, even though it is sometimes used for reasons of sentence rhythm, for example. Japanese is an adjective in the collocation and people is a noun. The fact that Japanese refers to a nation is of no grammatical importance as far as the article is concerned. Similar collocations without an article:

Rich people have a lot of money.

Old people don't like to stand.

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Yoong Liat  #574092  Tue, 07 Oct 08 01:52 PM

the Japanese = the people of Japan

The Japanese make excellent cars.

  
Cool Breeze  #574100  Tue, 07 Oct 08 02:32 PM
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the Japanese = the people of Japan

The Japanese make excellent cars.

 

Yes, of course, but the original poster didn't ask about that. The + adjective usually produces a plural noun if the reference is to people: The Japanese make excellent cars. The young like different music than the old.

The deceased can be singular or plural: The deceased was/were buried yesterday.

CB

  
Yoong Liat  #574123  Tue, 07 Oct 08 03:38 PM

I've noticed that the Japanese people smile a lot.
or
I've noticed that Japanese people smile a lot.

Which one?

My first reply: I've noticed the Japanese smile a lot.

The following complements the above reply.

the Japanese = the people of Japan

The Japanese make excellent cars.

The poster asked whether the artiicle 'the' is needed?

Am I not correct in my response to his query?

  
Cool Breeze  #574129  Tue, 07 Oct 08 03:55 PM
Yoong Liat

I've noticed that the Japanese people smile a lot.
or
I've noticed that Japanese people smile a lot.

Which one?

My first reply: I've noticed the Japanese smile a lot.

The following complements the above reply.

the Japanese = the people of Japan

The Japanese make excellent cars.

The poster asked whether the artiicle 'the' is needed?

Am I not correct in my response to his query?

 

I get the impression that the poster is asking which is correct, Japanese people or the Japanese people. The Japanese isn't one of his options.

CB

  
Yoong Liat  #574139  Tue, 07 Oct 08 04:06 PM

Cool Breeze
I get the impression that the poster is asking which is correct, Japanese people or the Japanese people. The Japanese isn't one of his options.

I understand what you mean now.

However, I 'm providing the poster with what  I consider to be the best version. 

The Japanese (people)  --  To me, 'people' is redundant,

The Chinese/Malays/Indians. ('people' is not needed)

  
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