Kooyeen  +  306127 Thu, 21 Dec 06 06:54 PM Hi, in the word with or in similar words (without, withstand...), the TH sound can be voiced or unvoiced (voiced as in the, unvoiced as in think). I'd like to know more about those two ways of pronouncing with. For example, is one way more common? Is one way more related to certain regions? Is one way more related to certain environments? Also, are there people that pronounce with in both ways (that is, you hear both the voiced and the unvoiced way from the same person)? Thank you. Kooyeen Joined on Thu, Dec 22 2005 Italy Senior Member 4,969 Parental Advisory / Explicit Posts

	Englishuser  +  306156 Thu, 21 Dec 06 08:23 PM Hi Kooyeen, You asked: I'd like to know more about those two ways of pronouncing with. For example, is one way more common? Is one way more related to certain regions? 'The unvoiced way' is common when 'with' is followed by a voiceless consonant. Englishuser Englishuser Joined on Thu, Mar 30 2006 Regular Member 717 Consonants

	Philip  +  306221 Fri, 22 Dec 06 12:11 AM I have played around with this for about an hour, and I cannot find a time when I naturally voice the 'th'.  The voicing before a vowel does not, however, sound foreign to me.  I just don't think I ever voice it. Philip Joined on Thu, Jun 23 2005 Veteran Member 8,737 At reise er at leve! - H. C. Andersen Vowels

	Kooyeen  +  306228 Fri, 22 Dec 06 12:47 AM Thank you. I've always pronounced with and without with a voiced TH (as in there), and absolutely never unvoiced. According to my dictionaries (and according to most of online dictionaries too), both the voiced and the unvoiced pronunciation are standard. But I've heard quite a lot of unvoiced TH in with, so I decided to post something here. Your comments will be appreciated (maybe ) Kooyeen Pronunciation

	nona the brit  +  306300 Fri, 22 Dec 06 09:23 AM I think I always voice it. I've just been experimenting and when it is unvoiced it sounds like a person with a lisp (to me). nona the brit Joined on Wed, Sep 22 2004 England Veteran Member 11,713 The name says it all.

	Marvin A.  +  307009 Sun, 24 Dec 06 11:56 PM I believe I almost always use the unvoiced version before consonants, and sometimes use the voiced version before vowels.  I always use the voiced version for 'without' though. Marvin A. Joined on Fri, Dec 8 2006 Regular Member 638 Vowels, Consonants

	CalifJim  +  307226 Mon, 25 Dec 06 09:30 PM Kooyeen, Same comments as Philip's.  I don't think I ever use the voiced th in with, but it sounds fine when others say it. CJ CalifJim Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004 California Veteran Member 22,399 "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche