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Tung Quoc  #276949  Fri, 06 Oct 06 03:14 PM

Hi,

Milky has listed the 3 uses of would.

So,

1/Please explain the use of would in these 2 cases:

a.He would have liked to have had all the family together in one big reunion before he died.

b. I would have liked a Pepsi.

2/ Please put would have liked, have had, died in temporal order.

Thanks

Quoc

  
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Inchoateknowledge  #276953  Fri, 06 Oct 06 03:22 PM

"He would have liked to have had all the family together in one big reunion before he died."

It means the same as

He would have liked to have all the family together in one big reunion before he died

It is not incorrect to use a modal and an infinitive perfect forms.

Would have liked already expresses that what is in consideration has not materialized.

For this reason, to have had is unnecessary, but not incorrect.

I would have liked a Pepsi  -- but I did not have it

  
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Tung Quoc  #276978  Fri, 06 Oct 06 04:23 PM

Thanks Inchoateknowledge

But I have known that.  You know, Milky has listed the 3 uses of would.

I only want the explanation of  the use of would in these 2 cases:

a.He would have liked to have had all the family together in one big reunion before he died.

b. I would have liked a Pepsi.

I can't find their use in the listed uses by Milky. Maybe it's the ellipses of if_clause. If yes, please re_write (a) and (b) with if.

If not, please tell me why would is used here.It's simply because would like means want in this case?

Is would like called here phrasal verb?

Thanks

Quoc

  
milky  #276994  Fri, 06 Oct 06 04:54 PM

I think you may be getting confused. Can you name the post in which I mentioned three uses?

  
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Inchoateknowledge  #276998  Fri, 06 Oct 06 04:57 PM

Hi

"Is would like called here phrasal verb?" No, but a verb phrase Smile [:)]

Would is the past form of the modal auxiliary will

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milky  #276999  Fri, 06 Oct 06 05:01 PM

<He would have liked to have all the family together in one big reunion before he died

It is not incorrect to use a modal and an infinitive perfect forms.

Would have liked already expresses that what is in consideration has not materialized.

For this reason, to have had is unnecessary, but not incorrect.>

How about in examples such as this, Incho?

He would have liked to have seen all the family together in one big reunion before he died.

He would have liked to have brought all the family together in one big reunion before he died.

He would have liked to have gathered the family together in one big reunion before he died.

Would you also omit the verb after the second "have" in each of those?

  
Inchoateknowledge  #277014  Fri, 06 Oct 06 05:28 PM

Hi

"Would you also omit the verb after the second "have" in each of those?"

Yes, as I have said before. IMO the meaning would remain intact.

  
milky  #277018  Fri, 06 Oct 06 05:33 PM
 Inchoateknowledge wrote:

Hi

"Would you also omit the verb after the second "have" in each of those?"

Yes, as I have said before. IMO the meaning would remain intact.

I disgree. The information expressed by the participle in each of the sentences below is important.

1. He would have liked to have seen all the family together in one big reunion before he died. (Doesn't signify who would have organised/requested the event)

2. He would have liked to have brought all the family together in one big reunion before he died. (Signifies who would have organised/requested the event)

3. He would have liked to have gathered the family together in one big reunion before he died. (Signifies who would organised/requested the event)

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Marius Hancu  #277019  Fri, 06 Oct 06 05:34 PM
 Inchoateknowledge wrote:
"Would you also omit the verb after the second "have" in each of those?" Yes, as I have said before. IMO the meaning would remain intact.
I don't quite think so.

He would have liked to have seen all the family together in one big reunion before he died. Indicates that "seeing" fully preceded the time of "liking."

He would have liked to see all the family together in one big reunion before he died.
Indicates that "seeing" might have still continued at the time of "liking."

Slight differences, but if we are to split the hairs ....
  
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