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Maple  #494068  Fri, 28 Mar 08 04:16 PM

Sentence: 

How sad that after four tumultuous years of leading the free world it would all fizzle into one miserable pile of requests from a bunch of crooks.

Question:

What does would mean or function as in the above sentence?  (Only the past tense of will?)

 

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RayH  #494074  Fri, 28 Mar 08 04:39 PM
I think you are going to have to provide more context. It's not clear what is being said here.
  
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Cool Breeze  #494075  Fri, 28 Mar 08 04:43 PM
 Hi Maple

I agree with RayH  -  but your guess may be right.

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Maple  #494076  Fri, 28 Mar 08 04:46 PM

...more context...

They were about pardons-desperate pleas from thieves and embezzlers and liars, some still in jail and some who'd never served time but who nonetheless wanted their good names cleared and their beloved rights restored. All claimed to be friends, or friends of friends, or die-hard supporters, though only a few had ever gotten the chance to proclaim their support before that eleventh hour. How sad that after four tumultuous years of leading the free world it would all fizzle into one miserable pile of requests from a bunch of crooks. Which thieves should be allowed to steal again? That was the momentous question facing the President as the hours crept by.

 

I wonder...

What does would mean or function as in the above sentence?  (Only the past tense of will? Or subjunctive mood? Or to indicate uncertainty?)

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RayH  #494082  Fri, 28 Mar 08 05:07 PM
Well, as always in cases like this my inclination is to defer to the grammar experts, however I think I'll take a shot at this one.
"would" here seems to mean "expressing presumption or expectation" or perhaps "expressing a possibility or likelihood".

Well, that's my best shot. I'll step aside now for the grammar experts.
  
Marius Hancu  #494098  Fri, 28 Mar 08 05:53 PM

 I agree that's an expectation made using a subjunctive mood construction, but made in the past, at the time the President considered the situation, looking towards the future as seen at that time.

Think about reported speech, in which

Will->would (both with the meaning of expectation

He thinks (now) how sad it is that after four tumultuous years of leading the free world it
will all fizzle into one miserable pile of requests from a bunch of
crooks.

He thought (then) how sad it was that after four tumultuous years of leading the free world it
would all fizzle into one miserable pile of requests from a bunch of
crooks.


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Goodman  #494099  Fri, 28 Mar 08 06:00 PM

Maple,

I could be wrong but my intuitive interpretation, based on the limited context, is “would” is being used in a subjunctive tone. We can express the sentence another way with more or less the same words.  

(Imagine) how bad it comes if all (the efforts) fizzle into one miserable pile….

 

  
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CalifJim  #494179  Sat, 29 Mar 08 12:34 AM
It's simple.

will ~ is going to

would ~ was going to

Remember, the author has the advantage of knowing what finally happened after that point in the past -- even though the actors in the narrative did not know their own future at the time.

How sad that it was all going to fizzle into ...

 (I don't see anything subjunctive here, by the way.)

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Maple  #494270  Sat, 29 Mar 08 07:32 AM

But, before that sentence, at the beginning part of the paragraph, what is described is already a phenomenon of a miserable pile of requests from a bunch of crooks. Wouldn't it be better to use the simpe past tense as "How sad that after four tumultuous years of leading the free world it all fizzled into one miserable pile of requests from a bunch of crooks" ?

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