Will and would to talk about habits

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Anonymous  #275263  Mon, 02 Oct 06 10:41 AM
What grammar says about this subject is that you  can use "will" in the present and "would "in the past to talk about characteristic behaviour or habits, though I can't see the difference between these two sentences.
- Every day Dan will come home from  work and turn on the Tv.
- Every day Dan comes home from work and turns on the Tv.

any help?
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milky  #275283  Mon, 02 Oct 06 12:29 PM
The will one expresses more the persistence of the habit. It can show that the speaker is irritated by the habit, or finds the habit unusual.
  
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Marius Hancu  #275295  Mon, 02 Oct 06 02:01 PM
For past time:

- Every day, Dan would come home from  work and turn on the Tv.

(see Swan, Practical English Usage, will/would)
  
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CalifJim  #275427  Mon, 02 Oct 06 09:09 PM
I can't see the difference between these two sentences.
- Every day Dan will come home from  work and turn on the Tv.
- Every day Dan comes home from work and turns on the Tv.


There really isn't a lot of difference.
In addition to the comments already made above, I would say that the use of will in such statements indicates a habit or behavior that the speaker is fairly certain is not likely to change in the foreseeable future.  Without the will the statement is more neutral with respect to such implied predictions.

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MrPedantic  #275481  Tue, 03 Oct 06 01:09 AM

The version with "will" can, but doesn't necessarily, show that the speaker is irritated by the habit, or finds the habit unusual. In speech, the "will" that denotes irritation or mild bemusement has a rising intonation.

As CJ says, the "will" version is used where you want to suggest continuation of the habit; while the "would" version seems usually to signify a past habit. (Hence its use in obituaries, memoirs, etc.)

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milky  #275486  Tue, 03 Oct 06 01:54 AM

 CalifJim wrote:

There really isn't a lot of difference.
In addition to the comments already made above, I would say that the use of will in such statements indicates a habit or behavior that the speaker is fairly certain is not likely to change in the foreseeable future.  Without the will the statement is more neutral with respect to such implied predictions.

CJ

I would say that that is quite a difference.

  
milky  #275487  Tue, 03 Oct 06 01:56 AM

<The version with "will" can, but doesn't necessarily, show that the speaker is irritated by the habit, or finds the habit unusual. In speech, the "will" that denotes irritation or mild bemusement has a rising intonation.>

Not always.

  
CalifJim  #275508  Tue, 03 Oct 06 03:46 AM
I would say that that is quite a difference.

I see.

My idea of "quite a difference" is more like saying  We have a pet iguana when you mean My ugly sister sneezed on Mum's prune DanishWink [;)]

CJ
  
milky  #275581  Tue, 03 Oct 06 08:40 AM

 CalifJim wrote:
I would say that that is quite a difference.

I see.

My idea of "quite a difference" is more like saying  We have a pet iguana when you mean My ugly sister sneezed on Mum's prune DanishWink [;)]

CJ

<<Without the will the statement is more neutral with respect to such implied predictions.>>

There's the rub. You are thinking about semantic meaning. I was thinking of pragmatic meaning (illocutionary acts) . In BE, the "will" version is best if one wants to express (non-neutrally) persistence  and doesn't want to add extra context. It's clear all by itself whether written or spoken. So, to me, that is quite a difference.

The pragmatic content (speech act) of the "will" sentence is clearly "critism" of some kind. The non-will sentence doesn't carry that content unless contextualised.

  
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