ESL General English Grammar Questions

Re: got/gotten

Fandorin — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:31:11 GMT

Fandorin
Hi. Yes, both of the words may be used. Simply "have(has) got" tend to be used side by side with have (has,had).
have(had,has) got = have(has,had). But the expression "had got" is rarely used in contemporary grammar.

I agree with you wholly, Yankee. Simply I wanted to explain the difference between such construction. Thanks for attention.

Re: got/gotten

Yankee — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:42:30 GMT

Fandorin
Hi. Yes, both of the words may be used. Simply "have(has) got" tend to be used side by side with have (has,had).
have(had,has) got = have(has,had). But the expression "had got" is rarely used in contemporary grammar.

Hi Fandorin

You seem to be mixing things up.

Angliholic's sentence is not an example of the idiomatic "to have got", which means basically the same thing as "to have" or "to possess".
In that idiom, it is not possible to change the word 'got' to 'gotten' -- not even in American English. It would be unusual to find "to have got" used in the past tense (i.e. had got).

Angliholic's sentence uses the verb "to get" in the past perfect. To form the past perfect of the verb "to get", you need had+gotten in AmE or had+got in BE.
The past perfect of the verb "to get" is in current use and is used just as often as the past perfect of any other verb.

Re: got/gotten

Yankee — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:26:51 GMT

Hi Angliholic

In American English, 'gotten' is the past participle of 'get'. I believe that the usual past participle of 'get' in BE would be 'got'.

Re: got/gotten

Fandorin — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:15:11 GMT

Hi. Yes, both of the words may be used. Simply "have(has) got" tend to be used side by side with have (has,had).

have(had,has) got = have(has,had). But the expression "had got" is rarely used in contemporary grammar.

got/gotten

Angliholic — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:06:32 GMT

It appeared as if it (the butterfly) had gotten as far as it could and it couldn't go any further.

Hi,

Is "gotten" in the above interchangeable with "got?" Thanks.