http://www.englishforums.com/English/EslGeneralEnglishGrammar-Questions/Forum12.htmAsk your questions on grammar and get your sentence checked. We answer lots of different types of general English grammar questions here.enXMOD (Build: 3598.39794)http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#698597Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:51:14 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:698597Summer Always0http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#698597http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-698597.xmlHow about "says" and "said"? Years ago, my English teacher taught me to pronounce these as and , and that's how I've been saying ever since. I've been living in North America for many years, and so far nobody has made any comment on this to me, but according to dictionaries, it should sound and . Have I been saying it wrong all the time? -S-http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/2/kzkl/Post.htm#698353Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:06:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:698353Anonymous1http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/2/kzkl/Post.htm#698353http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-698353.xmlRight. classic American arrogance. In the rest of the English-speaking world, it is "datta."http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/2/kzkl/Post.htm#668310Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:15:33 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:668310Anonymous2http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/2/kzkl/Post.htm#668310http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-668310.xmlDa: ta as in dad is plural while datum is singular ok... I think either is correct but since of late people tend to say da: ta more than day: ta but I still say day:ta it actually sounds much betterhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/2/kzkl/Post.htm#572246Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:18:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:572246Anonymous3http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/2/kzkl/Post.htm#572246http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-572246.xml/da: ta/http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/2/kzkl/Post.htm#527442Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:18:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:527442Anonymous4http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/2/kzkl/Post.htm#527442http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-527442.xmlThat psychology professor at UC Berkeley is misinformed on the subject. Datum is the singular form. Data is the plural form of datum. Check Webster, Oxford, etc. A similar example would be "Media" and "Medium"; Medium is the singular form of Media. Data can be used as a singular non-countable noun nowadays, but the latin origin of "Data" is "Datum". Nobody uses "Datas", or worse, "Datae". Now, on the pronunciation... Before even thinking about how to pronounce "Data", think about how you would pronounce "Datum". If you start the first syllable of Media and Medium the same way, wouldn't you do the same for first syllable of Data and Datum? Here's a...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/2/kzkl/Post.htm#350277Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:18:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:350277Anonymous5http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/2/kzkl/Post.htm#350277http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-350277.xmlI don't think there is a hard and fast rule here. However: If you have a two syllable word that ends with an 'a', it's typical that the vowel in the first is short. Like 'dada', 'feta', etc. This is not a rule so much as a pattern that should be observed. Following it, the 'da' in 'data' should not be pronounced like 'day'. Nevertheless, pronunciation and spelling in English are complicated by a number of things: most commonly from words that come from other languages. 'Datum' and 'data' belong to that category. As for the who/whom question, since when is this controversial? Whom is an object pronoun like 'her', 'him', 'them' etc. (a) I went to the movies with Sarah. (b) You went with WHOM? It's out of popular use, but I...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/2/kzkl/Post.htm#176585Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:18:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:176585Philip6http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/2/kzkl/Post.htm#176585http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-176585.xmlCalifJim wrote: (And we treat is as a singular: "The data is ready to load.") I find this unfortunate, but I can live with it, especially since the singular 'datum' is almost never used. On the other hand, I don't appreciate 'media' being treated as a singular, as there are too many media that give us news.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#176581Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:18:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:176581Philip7http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#176581http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-176581.xmlAnonymous wrote: I have the same feelings toward the who/whom controversy--it doesn't matter enough for me to know how to use it, but I still want to know which is "correct". There are some rather solid "rules" governing their usage. They may be unclear to some people, but I wouldn't say at all that they are controversial.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#176515Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:18:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:176515Sam C8http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#176515http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-176515.xmlManohonor wrote: Is DATA pronounced /deita/ or /da: ta/? for what it's worth, i pronounce it the first way, although it's unremarkable to hear either pronunciation here (scotland), and members of my close family do pronounce it the second way. as to it being a minimal pair - one plural, the other singular - it's not in my english.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#176449Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:18:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:176449My2sense9http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#176449http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-176449.xmlAnonymous wrote: A Psychology professor at UC Berkeley said that dah-ta (like "dad") is the singular, while day-ta (like "today") is the plural. In other words, you would say "these day-ta", but "this dah-ta." I haven't heard this from any other source, and I've also heard another Psychology professor at UC Berkeley say "day-ta" for singular. When I've worked with people who process data on a regular basis (in Psychology research labs), we almost always use the plural form, so I haven't had much chance to see how someone would pronounce the singular form. Honestly, this is some petty stuff that doesn't matter, though it's one of those things that makes you curious because you want to know what is "correct". I have the same...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#176362Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:18:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:176362Anonymous10http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#176362http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-176362.xmlA Psychology professor at UC Berkeley said that dah-ta (like "dad") is the singular, while day-ta (like "today") is the plural. In other words, you would say "these day-ta", but "this dah-ta." I haven't heard this from any other source, and I've also heard another Psychology professor at UC Berkeley say "day-ta" for singular. When I've worked with people who process data on a regular basis (in Psychology research labs), we almost always use the plural form, so I haven't had much chance to see how someone would pronounce the singular form. Honestly, this is some petty stuff that doesn't matter, though it's one of those things that makes you curious because you want to know what is "correct". I have the same feelings toward the...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#50829Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:18:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:50829CalifJim11http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#50829http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-50829.xmlSome people haven't caught on yet! In the data processing community (where I have worked more years than I care to admit!) we all say "day-ta", and have been saying it that way just about forever. There are people outside this specialist community who say it differently, and I have heard TV anchors say it in different ways, but people who work with " day -ta" day in and day out say " day -ta". (And we treat is as a singular: "The data is ready to load.") P.S. But just recently I heard someone use dat -a (where "dat" rhymes with "sat") again and again!http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#50794Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:18:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:50794Manohonor12http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#50794http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-50794.xmlWhat are you saying? I heard US citizen say /da: ta/!http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#50761Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:18:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:50761CalifJim13http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htm#50761http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-50761.xmlThe first. /deita/ At least in the U.S.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htmThu, 08 Jan 2009 12:18:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:50756Manohonor14http://www.englishforums.com/English/OnDataPronunciation/kzkl/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-50756.xmlIs DATA pronounced /deita/ or /da: ta/? Which pronunciation is more correct and modern?