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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.englishforums.com/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>ESL General English Grammar Questions</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GeneralEnglishGrammarQuestions/Forum12.htm</link><description>Ask your questions on grammar and get your sentence checked. We answer lots of different types of general English grammar questions here.</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CSMOD (Build: 3273.32735)</generator><item><title>Re: Grammar- is using versus is by using</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/ggvvd/post.htm#531831</link><pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:58:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:531831</guid><dc:creator>26TMNTJG2PG</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/ggvvd/post.htm#531831</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-531831.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>I have recently found &amp;#39;by using public transport&amp;#39; in the following sentence is closely connected with the prepositional phrase in LEO. Therefore, it should be a prepositional phrase that followed &amp;#39;One way of lowering fuel consumption is&amp;#39;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One way of lowering fuel consumption is &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;by&lt;/span&gt; using public transport. - &lt;span style="COLOR:#ff0000;"&gt;Your above assertion can only be correct if (the preposition) &lt;em&gt;by&lt;/em&gt; is necessary. Let us see the functions of a preposition stated below to determine this.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The best &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;time&lt;/span&gt; to practice water &lt;a href="http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/gzgvb/post.htm/l"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;font color="#008080"&gt;conservation&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is before a water shortage. (prepositional phrase = noun functioning as a complement - &lt;span style="COLOR:#ff0000;"&gt;Besides it also tells us about the time&lt;/span&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the noun phrase &amp;#39;using public transport&amp;#39;, it can also function as a gerund phrase according to the example below shown by LEO - &lt;span style="COLOR:#ff0000;"&gt;gerund phrase is just a general name&lt;/span&gt;. One way of lowering fuel consumption is using public transport.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of Serena Williams&amp;#39; biggest disappointments after her semifinal defeat was losing her spot for &lt;a href="http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/gzgvb/post.htm/l"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;font color="#008080"&gt;tennis&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt; singles in the Olympics. (gerund phrase = complement - &lt;span style="COLOR:#ff0000;"&gt;Besides it also tells us about the disappointments&lt;/span&gt;.)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;A preposition shows in what relation one thing stands to another, i.e. what one thing has to do with another in respect of &lt;em&gt;Place, Situation, Circumstance and Time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;p&gt;Unlike the following sentence which indicates a situation or circumstance, the preposition &lt;em&gt;by&lt;/em&gt; is necessary:-&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;We learn more by not taking answers at face value.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Regards.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Grammar- is using versus is by using</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/ggcjp/post.htm#531350</link><pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:07:06 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:531350</guid><dc:creator>bhikkhu1991</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/ggcjp/post.htm#531350</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-531350.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>Hello,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have recently found &amp;#39;by using public transport&amp;#39; in the following sentence is closely connected with the prepositional phrase in LEO. Therefore, it should be a prepositional phrase that followed &amp;#39;One way of lowering fuel consumption is&amp;#39;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;One way of lowering fuel consumption is &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;by using public transport&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The best time to practice water conservation is &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;before a water shortage&lt;/span&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; (prepositional phrase = noun functioning as a&amp;nbsp; complement)&lt;br /&gt;LEO-prepositional phrase= preposition + object of the preposition + modifiers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the noun phrase &amp;#39;using public transport&amp;#39;, it can also function as a gerund phrase&amp;nbsp;according to the example below shown by LEO.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One way of lowering fuel consumption is &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;using public transport.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of Serena Williams&amp;#39; biggest disappointments after her semifinal defeat was &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;losing her spot for tennis singles in the Olympics&lt;/span&gt;.&amp;nbsp; (gerund phrase = complement)&lt;br /&gt;LEO- gerund phrase = gerund + modifiers, objects, or complements.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am only a learner of English, I hope the experts or grammarians&amp;nbsp;can correct&amp;nbsp;this reply.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With best wishes.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Grammar- is using versus is by using</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/gzndx/post.htm#529513</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:21:42 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:529513</guid><dc:creator>Marius Hancu</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/gzndx/post.htm#529513</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-529513.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;26TMNTJG2PG:&lt;/p&gt;Only if you don&amp;#39;t
mind, could you avoid bolding everything and could you use italics for
the examples in order to improve readability? Thanks.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Grammar- is using versus is by using</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/gznrb/post.htm#529449</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 05:05:04 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:529449</guid><dc:creator>26TMNTJG2PG</dc:creator><slash:comments>3</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/gznrb/post.htm#529449</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-529449.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;font&gt; &lt;p&gt;I wish to present a different way of looking at the sentences.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;One way of lowering fuel consumption is using public transport.&lt;br /&gt;(You can rewrite as: Using public transport is one way of lowering fuel consumption.)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&amp;#39; Using public transport&amp;#39; is a noun phrase having a dual-function role here:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;1) being complement of the verb (of incomplete predication) &amp;#39;is&amp;#39; and&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;2) in apposition with the noun &amp;#39;way&amp;#39;.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;One way of lowering fuel consumption is by using public transport.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;(Here you can&amp;#39;t rewrite as: By using public transport is one way of lowering fuel consumption.)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;We normally say by doing something, you get/achieve something.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;So, the sentence needs to be rephrased as - One can/will lower fuel consumption by using public transport &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;or By using public transport, one can/will lower fuel consumption.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&amp;#39; By using public transport&amp;#39; here is an adverb phrase of manner modifying the verb &amp;#39;can lower or will lower&amp;#39;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Grammar- is using versus is by using</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/gzgvw/post.htm#527501</link><pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:15:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:527501</guid><dc:creator>Vorpar</dc:creator><slash:comments>4</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/gzgvw/post.htm#527501</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-527501.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>Sentence B is preferable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While Sentence A is understandable, it is technically ambiguous. It treats &amp;quot;One way of lowering fuel consumption&amp;quot; as a noun that is using public transport. ;)&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Grammar- is using versus is by using</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/gzgvb/post.htm</link><pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:42:25 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:527494</guid><dc:creator>bhikkhu1991</dc:creator><slash:comments>5</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarUsingVersusUsing/gzgvb/post.htm</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-527494.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>Hello,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What are the differences between the two following sentences? Is one sentence more preferable than the other?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sentence A.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; One way of lowering fuel consumption&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt; is using&lt;/span&gt; public transport.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sentence B.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; One way of lowering fuel consumption&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt; is by using&lt;/span&gt; public transport.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With best wishes&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>