ESL General English Grammar Questions

Re: would rather ....

Goodman — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:09:40 GMT

I would prefer to leave now rather than wait.
Can I change the above statement to this form, in which it gives me the same meaning:
I would rather leave now than wait. ( is it correct?)

Yes, you can. You can also rephrase it as "I would rather not wait"

Such as: I'd rather you come hear tomorrow.( is it correct?)
No, it sounds odd but "came" correct. As I mentioned earlier, this is the conditional element.
In this usage, the correct form s past tesne of the verb.

It should be I would rather you didn't leave.. In meaning the two are the same to me, though 'I wish' can sound more critical. ...
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The meaning of these connectors is similar to that of provided or if. They are used in informal or .. I would rather you didn’t smoke in my office. ...

Re: would rather ....

Anonymous — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:24:49 GMT

hi CJ,

Thanks so much for answering

CalifJim

And some people (Don't imitate them!) say rathered in the past, treating rather as a verb!

That sounds nice!!

CJ

Re: would rather ....

Anonymous — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:02:43 GMT

Thanks Goodman for these information.They really help me a lot understand this grammatical rule.

I have some further questions if you don't mind

Goodman
This is my take:
The use of "would rather" is not restricted by time. In certain aspects, it contains a conditional element as well.
Here is some info. Hope that helps your question.

Rather than and would rather

I would prefer to leave now rather than wait.
Can I change the above statement to this form, in which it gives me the same meaning:
I would rather leave now than wait. ( is it correct?)

We can use would rather to say that one person would prefer another or others to do something. We use a special structure with a past tense.

Don’t come today, I would rather you came tomorrow. (=I would prefer you to come tomorrow.)
In the above sentence, why do we use the past tense to refer to a future preference? Does the meaning change if we use a verb in the simple form?
Such as: I'd rather you come hear tomorrow.( is it correct?)

To talk about past actions, a past perfect tense is possible

I would rather that she had stayed with me.

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Re: would rather ....

CalifJim — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:59:44 GMT

Which one is possible ...?

" I would rather have her stayed with me last night" No!

or " I would have rather she stayed with me last night" Yes.

or " I would rather that she had stayed with me" Yes. (Probably the best choice.)

Wordy though it is, even

I would have rather that she had stayed with me is possible.

And some people (Don't imitate them!) say rathered in the past, treating rather as a verb!

Re: would rather ....

Goodman — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:47:51 GMT

This is my take:
The use of "would rather" is not restricted by time. In certain aspects, it contains a conditional element as well.
Here is some info. Hope that helps your question.

Rather than and would rather

Rather than is normally used in parallel structures: for example with two adjectives, adverbs, nouns, infinitives or -ing forms. When the main clause has a to-infinitive, rather than is normally followed by an infinitive without to. An -ing form is also possible.

I would prefer to leave now rather than wait.
You ought to admit your crime rather than defend it.
I would prefer to go in August rather than in July.
I decided to write rather than phone/phoning. (NOT …than to phone)
Would rather
Would rather means 'would prefer to'. It is followed by an infinitive without to.

Would you rather stay here or go home? (=Would you prefer to stay here or go home.)
Would rather + subject + past tense
We can use would rather to say that one person would prefer another or others to do something. We use a special structure with a past tense.

Don’t come today, I would rather you came tomorrow. (=I would prefer you to come tomorrow.)
I would rather you posted this letter. (= I would like you to post this letter.)

To talk about past actions, a past perfect tense is possible

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would rather ....

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:21:46 GMT

Hi everyone,

I've searched for some grammatical information about would rather in Google search engine for a long time, and I haven't found what I need. So, I hope I can get an urgent help for the following:

I know how to use ( would rather ) in terms of expressing present and future preferences. But we if we wanted to express a past preference using WOULD RATHER.

For example " I wanted my friend, Olivia, to stay with me last night, but she insisted to leave."

Which one is possible to be said in such a situation?

" I would rather have her stayed with me last night"

or

" I would have rather she stayed with me last night"

or

" I would rather that she had stayed with me"

Which one is correct?

In the daily spoken langauge, what would Americans or British people use if they want to express a past preference ? Do the use the same( one of the above), or there is another way to say that??
Thanks a lot