ESL General English Grammar Questions

Yes, the rules are most important

Jobb — Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:55:48 GMT

So I've been keeping asking you, MM. :D

Re: Well, that is Chinglish no doubt

Mister Micawber — Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:36:15 GMT

'We also notice that English is sometimes crazy without logic'--

-- and then you ask me to explain the rules!

Actually, I anticipate that Chinglish will become the international language by about 2200.

Well, that is Chinglish no doubt

Jobb — Sun, 26 Dec 2004 04:56:33 GMT

But if Chinese government sticks to the misuse, it will finally enter English vocabulary, because English is so open-minded.

We also notice that English is sometimes crazy without logic. :D

Re: Thank you MM.

Mister Micawber — Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:08:43 GMT

I wish your federal government had spoken to me before they rushed into this nomenclature. As you can see from the USA Today search, 'procuratorate' produces no hits at all, and 'procurator' produces specialized ecclesiastical and legal associations, as I suggested.

Oh well, there is no use crying over spilt milk. Much greater anomalies have been created in Japlish.

Thank you MM.

Jobb — Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:59:55 GMT

Your editing is very cool. But all Chinese official departments have decided to use "procuratorate", like "Supreme People's Procuratorate" (See English in the banner in its website:
http://www.spp.gov.cn/gzdt/)

Also, please search in http://asp.usatoday.com/search/search.aspx

Put "People's Procuratorate" into the search textbox, you will find many such usages. For example:

http://www.china.org.cn/english/features/state_structure/64414.htm

==============================================
PS. Regarding the usage "appeal against":

Typically we have such examples:

1) appeal a decision to a higher court

2) He appealed against the judge's decision.

So I think both "appeal" and "appeal against" are the same.

Re: Case

Mister Micawber — Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:13:43 GMT

Yipes, Jobb!-- you have GOT to find another word instead of 'procurator/procuratorate'-- it is ghastly: archaic and unfamiliar, surviving only in the Church and in eastern Europe. I suggest 'Administrator' or 'Financial Administrator' or 'Administrative Officer' or 'Financial Officer'.

Meanwhile, Haikou's zoning was adjusted, and the former Qiongshan was annexed to Haikou City. On March 18, 2003, Qiongshan District People's Administrator, of Haikou City, transferred the case to Haikou People's Administrator. HPA, on August 7 the same year, once again initiated a public prosecution against Mr. Lu in Haikou Middle People's Court. On Oct 29, HMPC sentenced Mr. Lu to twelve years' imprisonment with deprivation of political rights for four additional years, and simultaneously imposed on him a fine of 3000 yuan.
Mr. Lu appealed the judge's decision. On December 10, Hainan High People's Court sent the case back to HMPC, on the grounds that the HMPC's judgment was unsubstantiated by facts. So HMPC had to retry the case.

Case

Jobb — Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:38:52 GMT

Is the following clear? If not, edit it please:

Meanwhile, Haikou's zoning was adjusted, and the former Qiongshan was annexed into Haikou City. On March 18, 2003, Qiongshan District People's Procuratorate, of Haikou City, transferred the case to Haikou People's Procuratorate. HPP, on August 7 the same year, once again made a public prosecution against Mr Lu to Haikou Middle People's Court. On Oct 29, HMPC sentenced Mr Lu to twelve years' imprisonment with deprivation of the political rights for four additional years, and simultaneously imposed him a fine of 3000 yuan.
Mr Lu appealed against the judge's decision. On December 10, Hainan High People's Court sent the case back to HMPC, on the grounds the HMPC's judgment was unsubstantiated with unclear facts. So HMPC needed a retrial.