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&lt;font color=red&gt;DO NOT post paragraphs and compositions here.  Post them in our &lt;a href="http://www.englishforums.com/English/EssayReportCompositionWriting/Forum9.htm"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Essay, Report and Composition Writing Forum&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>XMOD (Build: 3614.32638)</generator><item><title>Re: Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/2/xcjv/Post.htm#932117</link><pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:54:48 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:932117</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/2/xcjv/Post.htm#932117</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-932117.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>i got laid in bed yesterday. i also lie in bed.</description></item><item><title>Re: Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/2/xcjv/Post.htm#495979</link><pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:49:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:495979</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/2/xcjv/Post.htm#495979</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-495979.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>Hi Mr Liat,   Please note that the past tense of  lie is lay. (lie, lay, lain).   I know. In reply to the following post  I lie in bed. (present tense)
 I lay myself in bed. (present tense) Right??
 
   CalifJim wrote  I believe we&amp;#39;d have to say yes! &amp;quot;myself&amp;quot; becomes
the direct object, so &amp;quot;lay&amp;quot; is used. The reflexive use is not so
common, however, as other uses ...   I said earlier that the presence of &amp;quot;myself&amp;quot; in &amp;quot;I lay myself in bed&amp;quot; makes the verb transitive. Hence, &amp;quot;lay&amp;quot; here is the present tense of lay ( laid, laid ) and NOT the past of lie ( lay, lain ) because the latter is intransitive and cannot take any direct object. I also repeated what CalifJim had already written,...</description></item><item><title>Re: Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/2/xcjv/Post.htm#494657</link><pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 10:49:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:494657</guid><dc:creator>Yoong Liat</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/2/xcjv/Post.htm#494657</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-494657.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>I lie in bed. (present tense) I lay myself in bed. (present tense)   Right??</description></item><item><title>Re: Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/2/xcjv/Post.htm#494655</link><pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:49:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:494655</guid><dc:creator>Yoong Liat</dc:creator><slash:comments>3</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/2/xcjv/Post.htm#494655</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-494655.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>I lie in bed. (present tense) I lay myself in bed. (present tense) -- &amp;#39;lay&amp;#39; is the past, not present tense. I believe it is a careless mistake.  
  
 Were lay the past form of lie, it would be intransitive; as such, it couldn&amp;#39;t be followed by a direct object ( myself ). 
 Therefore, lay in &amp;#39; I lay myself in bed &amp;#39; is the present tense of lay, laid, laid -- although the use of lay as a reflexive verb sounds a bit odd to my ears. 
 I suggest reading again CalifJim&amp;#39;s post. 
 CJ wrote:  I lay in bed yesterday when I was feeling sick. (past - action or state)  
 Please note that the past tense of  lie is lay. (lie, lay, lain).</description></item><item><title>Re: Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#494548</link><pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:49:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:494548</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><slash:comments>4</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#494548</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-494548.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>I lie in bed. (present tense) I lay myself in bed. (present tense) -- &amp;#39;lay&amp;#39; is the past, not present tense. I believe it is a careless mistake.     Were lay the past form of lie, it would be intransitive; as such, it couldn&amp;#39;t be followed by a direct object ( myself ).  Therefore, lay in &amp;#39; I lay myself in bed &amp;#39; is the present tense of lay, laid, laid -- although the use of lay as a reflexive verb sounds a bit odd to my ears.  I suggest reading again CalifJim&amp;#39;s post.</description></item><item><title>Re: Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#494305</link><pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:49:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:494305</guid><dc:creator>Yoong Liat</dc:creator><slash:comments>5</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#494305</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-494305.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>lie lay lain 
 lay laid laid 
 pay paid paid 
 These words are confusing to many people. I think you have to learn by heart lie, lay, lain.</description></item><item><title>Re: Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#493880</link><pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:49:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:493880</guid><dc:creator>steps2ielts</dc:creator><slash:comments>6</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#493880</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-493880.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>Should be lie in bed if you are talking present tense. And lay in bed if you are talking about past tense.   Enjoy!   AMH</description></item><item><title>Re: Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#493862</link><pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:49:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:493862</guid><dc:creator>Yoong Liat</dc:creator><slash:comments>7</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#493862</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-493862.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>I lie in bed. (present tense) I lay myself in bed. (present tense) -- &amp;#39;lay&amp;#39; is the past, not present tense. I believe it is a careless mistake.  Right??</description></item><item><title>Re: Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#69552</link><pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 10:49:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:69552</guid><dc:creator>Pemmican</dc:creator><slash:comments>8</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#69552</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-69552.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>The "myself" could confuse though, a better way to differenciate is the following:  "lay" is the causative form of the verb "lie",  ----&gt; i.e. "lay" means "to make something lie".  So "I always lay my clothes on the bed" means that you "make them lie" on the bed. "I lay myself in bed" means that you "make yourself lie" in bed.  (But don't confuse with "I lie in bed myself" - here it has to be "lie" (not lay)!)  Greetings -Pemmican</description></item><item><title>Re: Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#69550</link><pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:49:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:69550</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><slash:comments>9</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#69550</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-69550.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>I believe we'd have to say yes! "myself" becomes the direct object, so "lay" is used. The reflexive use is not so common, however, as other uses:  I always lay my clothes on the bed, and then I lie down on the floor! I laid the book on the table, and then I lay on the bed (laid myself on the bed).  The bed is all messed up. Have you been lying in it? / Have you lain in it? The bed is all messed up. Have you been laying things on it? / Have you laid something on it?</description></item><item><title>Re: Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#69536</link><pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:49:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:69536</guid><dc:creator>julielai</dc:creator><slash:comments>10</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#69536</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-69536.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>I lie in bed. (present tense) I lay myself in bed. (present tense)  Right?????</description></item><item><title>Re: Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#69520</link><pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:49:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:69520</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><slash:comments>11</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm#69520</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-69520.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>I lie in bed every day after returning from work. (present - habitual) I lay in bed yesterday when I was feeling sick. (past - action or state)  I lay in bed every day. (Incorrect. - But many speakers say it) I laid in bed yesterday. (Incorrect. - But many speakers say it)  lie, lay, lain  for the intransitive. lay, laid, laid for the transitive.  CJ</description></item><item><title>Lie lay</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm</link><pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:49:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:69517</guid><dc:creator>ScarletWings</dc:creator><slash:comments>12</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LieLay/xcjv/post.htm</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments12-69517.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>I'm not sure which is the correct word to use? Probably both are wrong :/  1. I lie in bed  or  2. I lay in bed</description></item></channel></rss>