http://www.englishforums.com/English/CulturalAnecdotesSimilarities-Differences/Forum19.htmAll topics related to cultural interaction. Please register if you wish to post here.enXMOD (Build: 3598.39794)http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#450141Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:450141Anonymous0http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#450141http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-450141.xmlThe results of americans or australians trying to do a cockney (east london) accent is always horriffic. It forced , too strong and sounds terrible. Its bareley recogniseable. Theres a chap in this australian soap my sister watches, I saw it and commented it was very progressive for them to have someone with a speech impeding handicap as a main character. I was rather bemused when I found out he was not deaf or a suffer of cerebral palsea, but supposedly a "British." Also, there is the fact that cockneys are a dying breed. London has changed so much in the past ten years, the price of an apartment in east london being a £million or so, the "common" folk are dissapearing. It is only the older folk who have the proper cockney acent...http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#436168Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:436168Anonymous1http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#436168http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-436168.xmlI agree that Standard British and Estuary are the most used these days--but the dialect you need to learn really depends on your purposes. An actor certainly needs to work on Cockney, just because there are so many productions of Christmas Carol that demand it every year. Learning something like a Yorkshire accent is certainly becoming more and more desirable these days. Beyond that, we start to get into other locales on the British Isles: some kind of Scottish, Welsh, and Irish variations (at least Dublin and Northern, if not also Galway with so many plays by McDonough). I am whole-heartedly biased, but I suggest you check out www.accenthelp.com. Our collections are growing. The IDEA website mentioned earlier is a fabulous resource, too.http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#129781Fri, 08 May 2009 16:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:129781Anonymous2http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#129781http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-129781.xmlwell, as someone has already said- its hard to get things right on. But, I really do believe that I've mastered dialects pretty well. And, seeing as I live in the South (of the USA, so everyone can get the picture in their head that I am one of those people who marries their cousins, has a father who sits on the porch in a rocking chair with a gun to scare off all of my boyfriends, and who always says 'ya'll' and things like that (though I hardly do or have any of these things, its just the stereo)), again, seeing as I live in the south and have to fight myself to speek normaly anyway, and that I have done so well, I think that you will be just fine. ^^ Good luck!http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#53850Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:53850fireblonde3http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#53850http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-53850.xmlIt would be rather silly to think that there is one scottish accent, they are all very, very different...people dont actually talk like rab c nesbitt..!!http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#53814Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:53814Guest4http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#53814http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-53814.xmlI've heard about accents and honestly it is something that native speaker and no native speaker should really care about it( at least i do !) I'm English teacher and I live in brazil, and I've already had the chance to run into some British speakers, and they told me that I've got a gorgeous accents,also they said I speak like a British one, no one would know that I am Brazilian. Is that possible? I think so. I've been researching a lot about that. Back to the question, I'd rather the BBC accent, it is so smooth and charming, it is not so upper class, but it gives us the impression that we had good background in the past. I love it. I can't deny that. Give me opinions!!!!!!!!!http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#50586Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:50586jason5http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#50586http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-50586.xmlInteresting place to hear dialects (via paulmeier.com): "You can listen to hundreds of recordings of real-life dialect speakers on the IDEA website (http://www.ukans.edu/~idea/index2.html.) These are provided at no charge in the interest of dialect research."http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#49436Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:49436acromel6http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#49436http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-49436.xmlHi Jason, I'd agree with bunkadelic: RP and Estuary. I'd also agree with the cited examples of Ms Paltrow and Zellweger. In addition, I was most impressed with the efforts of James Marsters (Spike in Buffy) who gave a very convincing example of an Estuary/South London accent. It was also a good to hear him get away with some delightful British profanities that slipped under the network's radar. Continuing in this vein, Anthony Head (Rupert Giles) illustrates the slightly overdone RP accent. Not as impressive a feat for him as he is British. And if you were ever tempted to try an Irish accent I'd recommend careful study of David Boreanez (Angel) so that you know what to avoid! Most of the Bonds use RP - unless it's Sean Conery....http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#49299Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:49299David7http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/2/jlmd/Post.htm#49299http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-49299.xmlThanks Robertson for all your thoughts I was thinking along the lines of a norm. Most can relate to The English of Australia or Canada. The same can be said of America. What the majority cannot relate to is unduly heavy accents or dialects. I still maintain English is now what Latin used to be a universal way of communicating. I find it very easy to communicate with foreigners that is my job. So we agree clarity is essential.http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#49105Fri, 08 May 2009 16:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:49105robertson8http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#49105http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-49105.xmlto David Thanks for your answer as well. I am from Spain "a way of speaking English which is understood by all is what we should all be aiming at" Unfortunately, it may be quite difficult. Other than each English speaking country has their own English - American English, British English, Australian English-, other types of English like Chinglish or Indian English have been cropping up in last years. On the other hand, too heavy an accent might cause problems in communication, but everyone has an accent and the RP accent is heavy for my ears. I think you want to communicate with a non native speaker successfully, I advise you: -to speak slowly -not to use slang and too many phasal verbs - not to use sentences...http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#48962Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:48962nona the brit9http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#48962http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-48962.xmlJust to stick my 'twopennworth' in, surely RP has never really been spoken in England to any great degree? The accent of the seriously upper classes, i.e. royalty, isn't true RP either and is quite incomprehensible at times. The only person I can think of as a really good example of RP is the newsreader Trevor McDonald.http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#48959Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:48959David10http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#48959http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-48959.xmlRobertson thank you for your comments. I'm afraid you have missed the gist of what I am trying to say. What I did say is that a way of speaking English which is understood by all is what we should all be aiming at. Too heavy an accent or drawl may make it difficult to be understood. Where are you from? Bunkadelic I agree with all you say but what worries me is how will we relate to the rest of the English speaking world when the British are in a minority. It is the language we grew up with and surely it is a great honour that most of the world speaks it. We do want to be understood by all.http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#48948Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:48948robertson11http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#48948http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-48948.xml"Dominant accents may not be the ones that are ideal for communication on the international scene" I don't understand this sentence. What important are our accents for communication.? "Are the British risking the possibility of not being generally understood by non native speakers and the rest of the world" The British have their own way of speaking and each non-native speaker speaks English at a different level. I have had good converstion with British and instead the communication with some non-native speaker has been difficult and viceversa. In my opinion, accent is secundary. The most important thing is the way to express yourself by using the language, and this one does not depent of the variety.http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#48252Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:48252David12http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#48252http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-48252.xmlThank you for your detailed explanations bunkadelic. I always think of a standard English as one that everyone who speaks the language can understand. A norm of sorts. Dominant accents may not be the ones that are ideal for communication on the international scene. Are the British risking the possibility of not being generally understood by non native speakers and the rest of the world. Cockney is about the most difficult for anyone but a Londoner to understand. Even then it's a small number who do. What are your thoughts?http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#47810Fri, 08 May 2009 16:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:47810bunkadelic13http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#47810http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-47810.xmlWell yes David, I would say that Estuary English is the dominant accent in Southern England these days and that's what I mean by "standard". To quote the nationmaster website that Jason mentions: "Estuary English is the form of the English language common in the South-East of England, especially along the river Thames and its estuary. It is a hybrid of Received Pronunciation (RP) and a number of South Eastern accents, particularly from the London and Essex area. Some people think it will eventually replace RP as the Standard English pronunciation." I would say that it has already replaced RP as the standard pronunciation - though I agree it depends what circles you move in. I probably spend too much time in pubs.http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#47796Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:47796David14http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#47796http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-47796.xmlBunkadelick Iam intrigued by your standard "Southern English". Are you sure that is correct?. Perhaps I'm moving in the wrong circles but I know of very few with a cross between RP and cockney.http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#47740Fri, 08 May 2009 16:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:47740bunkadelic15http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htm#47740http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-47740.xmlGood luck trying to learn British accents - if you succeed you'll be one of a very few American actors who've managed it. The best recent example was Gwyneth Paltrow in Sliding Doors; not only was her accent flawless it was also very well-observed because although her character was quite a middle-class Home Counties-type woman, she flattened her accent into more of an Estuary type voice, which is exactly how that sort of woman would speak. Contrast this with Renee Zelwegger's portrayl of Bridget Jones, a character who is almost certainly supposed to be a girl much like the one Gwyneth played, but Renee hadn't done her research so well or (more likely) was badly advised (by director, accent coach or whatever) and played the character with...http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htmWed, 08 Apr 2009 16:23:59 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:47603jason16http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentBritishAccentDialect/jlmd/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments19-47603.xmlI'm an actor, I'm going to start learning some accents just so I have them in my bag of tricks. I was going to start with a single British one, then move on to other countries/accents, then just keep learning more. What would be a good general British one to start with? Is there a dialect that's used by the largest number of British people today? I'd like to learn one that's in use, so I hear that Standard British English (Received Pronunciation) would be a poor choice. I've heard strong Cockney, that seems pretty affected and uncommon, but what do I know. I've found dialect coach tapes on all kinds of British accents...Cockney, Liverpool, Yorkshire, Hampshire, Scottish, Welsh. Hmmm, what would/should James Bond speak, maybe I'll get...