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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.englishforums.com/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>English Audio: Speech &amp; Pronunciation</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/EnglishAudioSpeechPronunciation/Forum22.htm</link><description>British, American, Scottish accent or using super-fantastic-high-tech software, we'll help you with pronunciation.</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>XMOD (Build: 3607.32596)</generator><item><title>Re: pronunciation</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm#303318</link><pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 12:31:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:303318</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm#303318</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-303318.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>Stressed, it is also called "short u". It = the sound in "ago". Right?    
Yes! 
 

   How can I pronounce this sound? (/^/ in "bird", "her", "worm",
"learn"...)? How to distinguish this sound
with /^/ in "love" ?    
Only by imitating what you hear. Listen as suggested in previous posts. 
 
 love and young both have the same sound /^/. 
 
(Words where "ou" is /^/: young, touch, country,
cousin, double, trouble, couple, southern, southerly, rough, tough, enough 
Words where "ove" is /^v/: above, dove, glove, love,
shove, cover, govern, government, hover, lover, plover, shovel,
hovel, oven, coven, sloven(ly), Coventry, covet ) 

 
CJ</description></item><item><title>Re: pronunciation</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm#302524</link><pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:31:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:302524</guid><dc:creator>Marvin A.</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm#302524</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-302524.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>I also pronounce "young" and "love" with the same vowel. The reason that "love" has an "o" in Modern and Middle English is because:  "The pronunciation of written o in son, love, come, etc. is due to Norman spelling conventions prohibiting writing of u before v, m, n due to the graphical confusion that would result. (v, u, n were identically written with two minims in Norman handwriting; w was written as two u letters; m was written with three minims, hence mm looked like vun, nvu, uvu, etc.)" http://www.bibliodata.com/article/orthography.htm</description></item><item><title>Re: pronunciation</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm#302482</link><pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:31:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:302482</guid><dc:creator>Kooyeen</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm#302482</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-302482.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>Tung Quoc wrote:    How can I pronounce this sound? (/^/ in "bird", "her", "worm", "learn"...)?     You need to hear that sound and try to imitate it. Listen to the pronunciation in some dictionaries (Merriam Webster pronunciations are available online at http://www.m-w.com/ ) As for young and love , I pronounce them using the same  uh  sound ( yuh-ng, luh-v), and my dictionaries don't distinguish those sounds as well. I'm not a native speaker though</description></item><item><title>Re: pronunciation</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm#302418</link><pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:31:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:302418</guid><dc:creator>Tung Quoc</dc:creator><slash:comments>3</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm#302418</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-302418.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>Hi, 
 1/ Stressed, it is also called "short u". 
 It = the sound in "ago". Right? 
 2/ In bird , the ir together gives a new sound unlike the sound in ago or love . So /^/ in /^r/ is entirely different from /^/ in other contexts. Usually "er", "ir", and "ur" all have this same "R-colored schwa" sound ( her, term, shirt, bird, dirt, hurt, fur ), as does "ear" followed by a consonant ( pearl, earth, learn, heard ), and "or" preceded by "w" ( work, worm, worth ). How can I pronounce this sound? (/^/ in "bird", "her", "worm", "learn"...)? 
 How to distinguish this sound with /^/ in "love" ? 
 Quoc</description></item><item><title>Re: pronunciation</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm#302417</link><pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:31:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:302417</guid><dc:creator>Tung Quoc</dc:creator><slash:comments>4</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm#302417</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-302417.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>Please tell me the difference in pronunciation of /^/ between: 
  
 l o ve and y ou ng 
  
 Thanks 
 Quoc</description></item><item><title>Re: pronunciation</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm#302394</link><pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:31:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:302394</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><slash:comments>5</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm#302394</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-302394.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>In ago , compared to love , the sound is the same , but unstressed and briefer in ago . 
This sound, called the schwa sound, is also found in stressed form in words like but and cup , month and son . Stressed, it is also called "short u". 
 
In bird , the ir together gives a new sound unlike the sound in ago or love . So
/^/ in /^r/ is entirely different from /^/ in other contexts. Usually
"er", "ir", and "ur" all have this same "R-colored schwa" sound ( her, term, shirt, bird, dirt, hurt, fur ), as does "ear" followed by a consonant ( pearl, earth, learn, heard ), and "or" preceded by "w" ( work, worm, worth ). 
 
These comments apply to American English. 
 
CJ</description></item><item><title>pronunciation</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm</link><pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:31:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:302379</guid><dc:creator>Tung Quoc</dc:creator><slash:comments>6</slash:comments><comments>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Pronunciation/dkjzr/post.htm</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-302379.xml</wfw:commentRss><description>Please tell me the difference in pronunciation of /^/ between: 
 A go, b ir d, l o ve 
 Thanks 
 Quoc</description></item></channel></rss>