http://www.englishforums.com/English/EnglishAudioSpeechPronunciation/Forum22.htmBritish, American, Scottish accent or using super-fantastic-high-tech software, we'll help you with pronunciation.enXMOD (Build: 3616.28671)http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/4/dnzmm/Post.htm#827947Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:27:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:827947Anonymous0http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/4/dnzmm/Post.htm#827947http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-827947.xmlThat is how it is pronounced in Italiano. Watch videos on you tube of Martin Scorcese saying his own name, pronouncing it "score-seh-zee" instead of "score-say-zee."http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/4/dnzmm/Post.htm#807699Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:34:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:807699Anonymous1http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/4/dnzmm/Post.htm#807699http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-807699.xmlHow about registering here? I'm on it!http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/4/dnzmm/Post.htm#807141Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:50:44 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:807141Tanit2http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/4/dnzmm/Post.htm#807141http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-807141.xmlThank you so much for taking the time to explain this to me, Tanit! Glad I could help. Pity I cannot help as much when it comes to English. How about registering here?http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/4/dnzmm/Post.htm#806521Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:56:05 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:806521Anonymous3http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/4/dnzmm/Post.htm#806521http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-806521.xmlThank you so much for taking the time to explain this to me, Tanit!!! I heard both words and I see the difference now, I'm not sure if I'll be able to say those words differently but I'll do my best! Now we have no doubts about how to pronunce scorsese, eh?http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#806429Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:13:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:806429Tanit4http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#806429http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-806429.xmlI won't argue with you, of course you're right, you're a native Italian! You can argue! After all, Italian has many variants and I can speak only for mine. After doing some search on the internet, I've found this dictionary where you can listen to the pronunciation of ro s a and to that of s ole (just type one word in the box, click on the result and press the red arrow next to the phonetic trancription of the word in the pop-up). I've also managed to find an easy list of rules to help you decide whether s should pronounced /s/ or /z/. This allows for an explanation of the pronunciation of the three s's in Scorsese : The first one is pronounced /s/ because it's at the beginning of the word (also,...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#806214Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:35:20 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:806214Anonymous5http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#806214http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-806214.xmlNow I'm lost..... .... I won't argue with you, of course you're right, you're a native Italian! but I need to know why is there a difference between those two 's', because they are both next to an 'e'. Besides, I don't get wich one is the 's' in 'rosa' that is diferent than the 's' in 'sole' but is not 'z' like in the word 'zeta' (please don't tell me that it sounds like 'th' in 'things', becuase - tell me crazy- I hate how that sounds) I'll ask my teacher next time I see her 'cause now I'm intrigued!http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#805761Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:21:05 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:805761Tanit6http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#805761http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-805761.xmlPS: I tried to upload an audio file, but it didn't work. I have to experiment with the new feature.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#805751Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:07:50 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:805751Tanit7http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#805751http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-805751.xmlI don't know why you would pronunce the last one like a 'z', may be because for native english speakers is natural to say it tha way, but as an Italian student i have to say that there is no difference between those two 's'. Sorry, Anon, but as a native speaker of Italian I have to say this is not quite right. As I wrote earlier in this thread, we do have two different sounds for the letter " s ". Since you've studied Italian, you can check what I'm saying in this page from wikipedia , under the heading " consonanti semplici " ( "simple consonants "). : è la nostra s di s ole . = >> is our s in s ole (=sun) : è la nostra s ( non zeta ) di ro s a ....http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#802387Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:33:50 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:802387Anonymous8http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#802387http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-802387.xmlI don't know much about english pronunciation, but I do know a lot about Italian because I've studied it for many years, and that language is not so different than Spanish ( my native language)...so with that said, I wanted to make clear that Pacino is like you said ci=chee in cheese...but I desagree completely when you say that the two 's' in scorsese are different, they are pronunced the same, I don't know why you would pronunce the last one like a 'z', may be because for native english speakers is natural to say it tha way, but as an Italian student i have to say that there is no difference between those two 's'. But like Tanit said, it doesn't mind that much.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#792797Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:28:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:792797Anonymous9http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#792797http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-792797.xmlits only spelled pacino because it looks cooler that way. lolhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#768120Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:05:20 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:768120Anonymous10http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#768120http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-768120.xmlinteresting thread, thought I might add in some words I'm a native French speaker, I'm good in English (been learning it for a decade), and I recently started learning Spanish like said, Spanish and Italian are phonetic languages, where lettrers are generally pronounced only one way, and that makes them easier to learn, in my opinion on the other side, English pronounciations for letters vary, but on the grammatical side, you don't have to systematically conjugate adjectives and verbs to each pronoun, because verbs variate with the pronoun used (I, you, he/she/it, we, you, they) in latin languages. so that makes English a bit easier my native language is French, and though I don't consider it has too many secrets...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#662331Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:24:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:662331Anonymous11http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#662331http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-662331.xmlI'm a high school junior, so i'll be talking from classroom experiences.  I'm in regular english and have completed 3 years of spanish. No English is not a phonetic language.  Languages like Italian and Spanish have only one way of pronouncing each vowel, and then a written accent mark can modify them slightly.  (one reason english is so hard to pick up as a second language is we don't write accent marks)  English has many ways of pronouncing each vowel and the only way to learn them all is by growing up with the language or being around it for a long time. For example, we add silent e's at the end of a word to emphasize the previous vowel. (As in like, have)  In spanish a word spelled 'have' would be...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#660969Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:46:45 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:660969Anonymous12http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/3/dnzmm/Post.htm#660969http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-660969.xmlThanks for the great explanation. You should be a language teacher!http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#660968Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:43:57 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:660968Anonymous13http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#660968http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-660968.xmlBecause it's of Irish Gaelic origin and that's how it's pronounced in that languagehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#592618Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:592618Clive14http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#592618http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-592618.xmlHi, As explained earlier in the thread, it's an Irish (Gaelic) name. Clivehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#592514Tue, 26 May 2009 22:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:592514Anonymous15http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#592514http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-592514.xmlI definitly know that "Sean" is pronounced like "shawn" but idk why it's like that.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#557544Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557544Jackson661216http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#557544http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-557544.xmlActually guys Italian like Spanish spells its' words phonetically. Scorsaysee is more or less and American Italian invention its' not how the word should be pronounced. Scor -se -se is actually the true prounciation of this LATIN word. In latin the e is never pronouced like the english long e but only as the short vowel e as eh - like egg or exit. EE in italian is used by the letter i in which gives the long e vowel sound we know in English, ie Pacino - Pa Chee no. The ScorSAYsee in Scorsese is most likely due to a missinterpretation of the Italian accent that colours certain vowel sounds. But in Italian, Scorsese would sound like Scor SE se. Raising the tone of your voice and elongating the sound eh so that it sounds almost...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#557409Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557409Anonymous17http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#557409http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-557409.xmlActually guys Italian like Spanish spells its' words phonetically. Scorsaysee is more or less and American Italian invention its' not how the word should be pronounced. Scor -se -se is actually the true prounciation of this LATIN word. In latin the e is never pronouced like the english long e but only as the short vowel e as eh - like egg or exit. EE in italian is used by the letter i in which gives the long e vowel sound we know in English, ie Pacino - Pa Chee no. The ScorSAYsee in Scorsese is most likely due to a missinterpretation of the Italian accent that colours certain vowel sounds. But in Italian, Scorsese would sound like Scor SE se. Raising the tone of your voice and elongating the sound eh so that it sounds almost...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#439820Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:439820Jackson661218http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#439820http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-439820.xmlHi Tanit Thank you for such an informative and an interesting reply. Best wishes, Jacksonhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#439779Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:439779Tanit19http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#439779http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-439779.xmlJackson6612 wrote: Okay, I agree that Pacino is pronounced as pa-chee-no because it's an Italian name. But does Al Pacino use English letters to spell his surname in Italian too? I don't think so . So why isn't Pacino simply written as Pacheeno or Pachino in English to match its pronunciation? I believe even an English native won't be able to pronounce Pacino as pacheeno if s/he hasn't heard of Al Pacino before. Hi Jackson, What do you mean by " English letters "? The letters P, A, C, I, N, O belong to the Italian alphabet , too. The difference lies in the way we pronounce this letters, not in the way we write them. And why do you believe one should change the spelling of his/her name/surname to match foreign...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#439725Tue, 26 May 2009 22:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:439725Jackson661220http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#439725http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-439725.xmlAlienvoord wrote: Scorsese is pronounced score - say - zee The English pronuncations of these words are approximating the pronunciations in the languages they are from. Pacino and Scorsese are from Italian, Sean is from Gaelic. That's why their pronunciations are unusual. I'm sorry for digging up this old thread, but I thought it'd be useless to start a new one. Okay, I agree that Pacino is pronounced as pa-chee-no because it's an Italian name. But does Al Pacino use English letters to spell his surname in Italian too? I don't think so. So why isn't Pacino simply written as Pacheeno or Pachino in English to match its pronunciation? I believe even an English native won't be able to pronounce Pacino as pacheeno if s/he hasn't...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#319446Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:319446Anonymous21http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/2/dnzmm/Post.htm#319446http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-319446.xmlI saw an interview with Martin Scorsese and the interviewer asked him how to pronounce his last name. He said it is pronounced Score-ses-ee although he does not mind when people pronounce it Score-say-see.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316814Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:316814Tanit22http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316814http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-316814.xmlAlienvoord wrote: It is normally pronounced skOrsEzi or "score-say-zee". I know that it is not the same as the Italian pronunciation, but that is how it is pronounced in English. Fair enough. Since he's American, you can decide how to pronounce his surname! This reminds me of another thread, where some members discussed the way some foreign surnames are pronounced in English: http://www.englishforums.com/English/NonNativeAccents/2/dwdqn/Post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316603Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:316603Marvin A.23http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316603http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-316603.xmlAlienvoord wrote: Tanit wrote: Scorsese is an Italian name, too. Italian e sounds like e in 'bed.' For the above reason, we pronounce the two e ' s in Scorsese the same way, while the two s ' s are different. So, if we have to "approximate Italian pronunciation," I disagree with both skOrsEze(I) and score-say-zee. It is normally pronounced skOrsEzi or "score-say-zee". I know that it is not the same as the Italian pronunciation, but that is how it is pronounced in English. Hmm. That's a matter of opinion. That's not how I would say it in English. I would normally try to pronounce it as close as possible to the Italian, which would be , but because English doesn't permit final it would mosthttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316517Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:316517Alienvoord24http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316517http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-316517.xmlTanit wrote: Scorsese is an Italian name, too. Italian e sounds like e in 'bed.' For the above reason, we pronounce the two e ' s in Scorsese the same way, while the two s ' s are different. So, if we have to "approximate Italian pronunciation," I disagree with both skOrsEze(I) and score-say-zee. It is normally pronounced skOrsEzi or "score-say-zee". I know that it is not the same as the Italian pronunciation, but that is how it is pronounced in English.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316515Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:316515nona the brit25http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316515http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-316515.xmlPacino is not an odd spelling. It is an Italian, not English, name. Gere is pronounced Geer to rhyme with beer and steer and mere.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316474Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:316474Tanit26http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316474http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-316474.xmlJackson6612 wrote: to you we pronounce Pacino as pa-chee-no because we are approximating italian pronunciation. But why isn't Pacino just written as Pachino or Pacheeno because Pacino is misleading word as far as pronunciation is concerned? Perhaps Al Pacino chose these weird spellings for pa-chee-no himself to distinguish himself. As far as I know, Pacino didn't chose his surname. It's an Italian surname, and we pronounce 'ci' as 'chee' in 'cheese' (a bit shorter, though). Do you think it's weird? Why? Contrary to English, Italian has a phonetic pronunciation, with only few exceptions (such as ' s ' and ' z ' ). This means that, whenever you'll find ' ci ' or ' cci ' (as in 'cappu cci no'), pronunciation...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316461Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:316461Jackson661227http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316461http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-316461.xmlAlienvoord wrote: Scorsese is pronounced score - say - zee The English pronuncations of these words are approximating the pronunciations in the languages they are from. Pacino and Scorsese are from Italian, Sean is from Gaelic. That's why their pronunciations are unusual. Alienvoord, according to you we pronounce Pacino as pa-chee-no because we are approximating italian pronunciation. But why isn't Pacino just written as Pachino or Pacheeno because Pacino is misleading word as far as pronunciation is concerned? Perhaps Al Pacino chose these weird spellings for pa-chee-no himself to distinguish himself. By the way how do we pronounce Gere in Richard Gere ? I think it is pronounced as gray .http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316197Tue, 26 May 2009 22:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:316197Marvin A.28http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316197http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-316197.xmlI say them as: Pacino Scorsese or occasionally Seanhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316096Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:316096Alienvoord29http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htm#316096http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-316096.xmlScorsese is pronounced score - say - zee The English pronuncations of these words are approximating the pronunciations in the languages they are from. Pacino and Scorsese are from Italian, Sean is from Gaelic. That's why their pronunciations are unusual.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htmSun, 26 Apr 2009 22:42:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:316093Jackson661230http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowPronouncePacinoScorsese-Sean/dnzmm/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-316093.xmlHi, 1 : I think Pacino in Al Pacino is pronounced like pa-chee-no . But Why don't we simply pronounce it as pa-see-no ? 2 : How do we pronounce Scorsese in Martin Scorsese? Is this i: score-see-se or ii: score-see-ze 3 : Why do we pronounce Sean in Sean Connery like shawn ? I think rather it must be pronounced like cean like sen in senate or like seen.