http://www.englishforums.com/English/EnglishAudioSpeechPronunciation/Forum22.htmBritish, American, Scottish accent or using super-fantastic-high-tech software, we'll help you with pronunciation.enXMOD (Build: 3607.32596)http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/2/mgnv/Post.htm#62806Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:06:05 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:62806anita_a0http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/2/mgnv/Post.htm#62806http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-62806.xmlWell, after all the discussions so far, I just would like to add on ething here. The 'r' is not pronounced for certain when it is in the 'end' of a word and certainly not when it is in the middle of a word and follows a vowel. So, the word 'world' is pronounced as 'wold'. Similarly, some more examples, 'heard' ,'curl'. In words 'butter', matter', the 'r' is not pronounced. And whenever there is a word with a double 't' as in the above two words 'butter' and 'matter', it is always pronounced as 'd'.All this in the grammatically correct British English( no offence meant to others). Well, in America, you can talk as you like and get away with it.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61560Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:06:05 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:61560Mister Micawber1http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61560http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-61560.xmlYes, I do sound a little like John Wayne, pardner. No need to get in a twist, King-- my tongue is obviously doing something back there: it is all tensed up, controlling the air flow and who knows what-all. The discussion, however, is intended to get foreign students to differentiate their /r/ and /l/ sounds, the former of which (in AmE) requires drawing the tongue tip back and out of the vicinity of the teeth and hard palate. I am a perfectly competent native speaker who is sitting here as we speak saying 'r-r-r-r-r-r-' and risking cartage to the loony bin at my wife's behest, with my tongue curled back and touching nothing at all. Here is one discussion: Rhotic consonants, or "R"-like sounds, are non-lateral liquids. This class...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61502Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:06:05 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:61502King2http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61502http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-61502.xmlAnyone who says the english "r" doesn't use the tongue needs to get their facts straight. You couldn't MAKE the sound without your tongue... The only advice I can give is to try and find an english speaker or recordings...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61473Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:06:05 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:61473nona the brit3http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61473http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-61473.xmlOoh ooh I can do yours, but only if I try and imagine I am John Wayne! Yours is more 'throaty' though.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61412Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:06:05 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:61412Mister Micawber4http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61412http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-61412.xmlIf I try yours I sound like I suffer from cleft palate. I had come to the same realisation, Nona. There must be some research data on this somewhere.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61393Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:06:05 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:61393Guest5http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61393http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-61393.xmlnona incognito here. Now I've been sitting here making odd noises that sound like a dog trying to growl but getting choked! I cannot do it without using my tongue. Your pencil trick was even worse. I suspect that our R sounds are made completely differently! Mine is made in a similar way to L, except for L the tongue touches just behind my top front teeth, and for the R it is a lot futher back on the roof of my mouth and my mouth is almost closed. See if you can do mine.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61253Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:06:05 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:61253Mister Micawber6http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61253http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-61253.xmlWell, now you have me with my finger down my throat, Nona-- but my tongue does not seem to be involved in my rhotic efforts, except in trying to get out of the way. The tongue base draws back in the direction of the soft palate, its sides curl upward away from the molars, and its tip tries (with varying success-- it's gettting a little crowded back there) not to touch anything. In my post I mentioned my basic technique for getting a Japanese student to quit making /l/ when they want to say /r/: roll the tongue back out of the way and use a pen or pencil to hold it down back there away from the teeth, to keep it from flapping against the back of the upper incisors or against the hard palate when they say 'red ripe rutabagas'.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61234Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:06:05 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:61234nona the brit7http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#61234http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-61234.xmlI understand that this is about American pronounciation so I won't stick my oar in. I am intrigued by the idea of not using your tongue to form the letter R though. I've been sitting here making all kinds of weird noises trying to say R without my tongue. True, I think there is a different between Brit and American versions of R, and Americans sound many Rs that Brits leave completely unvoiced. But how on earth do you do it without your tongue? When I say R the tip of my tongue flips up and touches the roof of my mouth and back down again at the start of a word i.e. red. It is only not used in the middle of something when it is a British unsounded R i.e. armour.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#60976Sat, 23 May 2009 03:06:05 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:60976Mister Micawber8http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htm#60976http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-60976.xmlwhen you say the R , what condition your mouth and toung should be ? DRAW THE BASE OF YOUR TONGUE TOWARD THE BACK OF YOUR MOUTH-- THE TONGUE IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE 'R' SOUND. AT FIRST, PRACTICE BY PUSHING YOUR TONGUE BACK AND OUT OF THE WAY WITH A PENCIL. and how do u say WORLD .do u say it like ..WORD....or WOLD..or do u say the whole thing ..WORLD? I SAY THE WHOLE THING. TAKE YOUR TIME: FIRST AN 'R' SOUND, THEN AN 'L' SOUND. what is the difference between word and world..they sound the same! LISTEN CAREFULLY; THEY SHOULD NOT SOUND THE SAME. also the T and the D ..eg-- BETTER sounds like BErrER ..and TEDDY sounds like TErrY. THERE IS INDIVIDUAL VARIATION, BUT A REASONABLY CLEAR PRONUNCIATION OF 'BETTER' WILL...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htmFri, 23 Jan 2009 04:06:05 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:60915Guest9http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowToPronuonceTheRLTAndD/mgnv/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments22-60915.xmlhi there .when you say the R , what condition your mouth and toung should be ? I always tries to act like the americans by holding my toung but it deosnt sounds right. and how do u say WORLD .do u say it like ..WORD....or WOLD..or do u say the whole thing ..WORLD? what is the difference between word and world..they sound the same! also the T and the D ..eg-- BETTER sounds like BErrER ..and TEDDY sounds like TErrY. do most of americans speaks from the throat? and should i speake fast or go slow? and what about the long vowles and the short vowles..i mean when and how to use'em!! and when u sat the D at the end of the word like I MISSED YOU ..do u say it as I MISSET U ..i mean do u change it in to T? 1 more question.. when i feel...