http://www.englishforums.com/English/EslSoftwareOnlineLearning-Games/Forum25.htmAll things online and wareenXMOD (Build: 3607.32596)http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/8/drdvg/Post.htm#992343Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:29:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:992343Anonymous0http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/8/drdvg/Post.htm#992343http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-992343.xmlIf you read the many WhiteSmoke adverts on the Web, you'll soon find out that their writers make many mistakes in grammar and usage that are characteristic of ESL writers whose first language isn't English. Either their own software doesn't catch these errors or they don't bother to check their own work with it. I wouldn't trust them to correct a first-grader's work.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/8/drdvg/Post.htm#992340Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:23:18 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:992340Anonymous1http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/8/drdvg/Post.htm#992340http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-992340.xmlHere's another phony WhiteSmoke site: http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=Gil_Lavitov&pos=0&opt=&o=date-d The "expert," Gil Lavitov, has 1200+ paragraphs in this page pretending to be mini-reviews of various writing software. Each one of the many paragraphs I checked has a link back to WhiteSmoke or a link to another page advertising WhiteSmoke. Heap big smoke, but no fire!http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/8/drdvg/Post.htm#966528Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:46:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:966528Anonymous2http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/8/drdvg/Post.htm#966528http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-966528.xmlQuick update: I have installed their latest version: WhiteSmoke 2010, and it probably the best grammar checker around, other then that you need to be connected to the internet it is a good product (compared to the original product I checked 3 years ago). Good job guys! (sorry for the bad comment)http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/8/drdvg/Post.htm#948542Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:02:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:948542Anonymous3http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/8/drdvg/Post.htm#948542http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-948542.xmlI'm exactly in the same case as you...Please let me know if something happened..http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#941934Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:18:49 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:941934Anonymous4http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#941934http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-941934.xmlI can't get my money back from them. I am really worried. I don't think their service helped with grammar and editing in a productive manner at all. It's been two days since I requestd a refund and I continue to get a standard response e-mail which gets me no-where.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#895118Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:27:07 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:895118Stefania5http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#895118http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-895118.xmlThanks God, I found this useful forum to finally read some unbiased reviews about this software that, in 20 days, literally monopolized the main adv/sponsor programs/systems on the net. This week I tried Whitesmoke trial version (3 days trial), downloaded from Softpedia (the version was updated and correctly installed). At a first glance, all the punctuations spaces were systematically erased and even on the available templates, mistakes were everywhere. What really impress me, is that a lot of reliable sites/portals (Siber System Roboform as well as C-Net Download.com and many others) linked their brands/programs to Whitesmoke, inducing users to trust the software being guaranteed by them. The Demo on the Whitesmoke site is...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#877133Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:19:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:877133Anonymous6http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#877133http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-877133.xmlI clicked "Full Demo" on their main web page and it took me to a page asking for my name and email address. I usually don't like selling myself out like that but the product looked good so I filled in the entry fields. It then took me to a "which version of the product would you like to buy" with NO mention of any demo product. A live chat pop-up window then came up and I asked the person about the "Full Demo" and they said they had no "Full Demo" but that I could buy the product and it had a 30-day money back guarantee. Uh, I don't like bait-and-switch games. It kind of destroys my trust. So I let the live chat person know this and they gave me the email of their director of...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#845082Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:27:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:845082Anonymous7http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#845082http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-845082.xmlI am still very suspicious of this software. I found the following sites all over the place when I did a Google search for things like writing software or grammer checking. They purport to be independent sites recommending writing software but everyone goes straight to WhiteSmoke. Some don't even mention WhiteSmoke on their page -- they say something like Grammar Checker Software. You would think that all these independent sites had analyzed all writing software and recommended WhiteSmoke--when in reality, these are all probably produced by the same person at WhiteSmoke. It's fishy. Check out these sites for yourself. Buyer beware. .www.writebetterenglish.com. .www.english-writing-solutions.com. .www.bestenglishsoftware.com....http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#834238Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:32:33 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:834238Anonymous8http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#834238http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-834238.xmli was going to buy whitesmoke but after reading all these comments, i changed my mind. it is good to find such useful information.GUYS you saved me 149.95 dollars and whitesmoke lost a customer.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#790947Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:41:20 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:790947Anonymous9http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#790947http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-790947.xmli considered using it, but the moment they had my email info they've done nothing but spam me. they even have the audacity to write me back telling me they've removed me from their list but i still receive emails from them regardless. and from what i've heard, their program is useless. don't get it!! :)http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#750939Wed, 27 May 2009 14:42:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:750939nusdunda10http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#750939http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-750939.xmlI almost buy this software. I have been browsing its spam email in my Inbox and see how it work well or not and try to find the example of use from Youtube and many forum that have discussion about it.   I strongly believe, no program in the world can create a masterpiece.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#696610Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:02:18 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:696610Anonymous11http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#696610http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-696610.xmlI bought the 2008 WhiteSmoke. I am a student and wanted to enhance my MS Word program. This is the most useless program I have ever purchased. It has NEVER worked properly. It is just plain wrong ALL the time. I was so excited about it until right after the download..never again!http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#694707Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:30:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:694707summerlove12http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/7/drdvg/Post.htm#694707http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-694707.xmlWARNING - Whitesmoke forum The Whitesmoke forum, in keeping with their policy of scams and spam, is also a scam. --Most of the postings are iinvented by the Whitesmoke team. There is no Privacy Policy. Your email address is publicly displayed on the foum. They sell you e-mail address to spam organisations Do NOT sign up for the Whitesmoke forumhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#694652Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:07:20 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:694652Anonymous13http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#694652http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-694652.xmlWhite Smoke is a an expensive scam. The program's suggestions are more often wrong than right. It fails to pick out passive voice, end of sentence prepositions, adverbs ending in "ly". I could just go on and on about what the program can't do. Microsoft Word has a much better spell and grammar checker. Most people don't realize that when they buy the program, it will only work if you are connected to the Internet. I purchased the upgrade in hopes that there had been some improvement but the only change that I could see was the user interface. New buttons won't help my writting and are not worth what I stupidly paid for the upgrade. My suggestion, don't buy this program. Look at RightWriter or Wizards...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#694174Sat, 04 Apr 2009 02:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:694174Anonymous14http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#694174http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-694174.xmlGlad I read the posts here. Almost bought whitesmoke; called the order line and got an unpleasant if not shadey fella appearantly from some foreign call center.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#689796Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:03:46 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:689796Anonymous15http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#689796http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-689796.xmlI went to www.bbb.org . I should have gone to the comic page: F- (So says the bbb) F- is a real comic page, and the bbb gave Whitesmoke an Fas well. When a 'seller' doesn't put the price, terms of sale, or his contact address on his website, I don't need the bbb to tell me it is a SCAM. I hope that people who bought this are able to get a refund, or a good, useful working version.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#679117Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:13:37 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:679117Anonymous16http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#679117http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-679117.xmlI bought WhiteSmoke on impulse and it is the worst pruchase I have ever made! What a complete waste of money! The corrective features are so inconsistent and highly inaccurate. I do not know how people are ever going to learn English with WhiteSmoke; I think my English would probably digress! I installed it a second time just to be sure I was corrrect in my assessment; it just got uninstalled a second time and the file was promptly deleted. Please don't buy it, I cannot recommend it to anyone, even someone who is new to the English language. Leonard.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#678405Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:42:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:678405summerlove17http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#678405http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-678405.xmlThe sign--up system on the Whitesmoke website is a deliberate form of what is called 'e-mail harvesting' to build up a huge database of e-mails for sending spam to. Yes, the entire concept of Whitesmoke is a scam in more ways than one. There are ways of preventing your e-mail server from receiving this spam without needing to redesign your website,http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#678399Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:22:14 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:678399Anonymous18http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#678399http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-678399.xmlWhitesmoke.. I am an English teacher in Germany. I was browsing and came accross the advert for this software. I started the registration process and then got cautious about the product - so cancelled out. Since that date (6.02.09) I have recieved over 2800 yes, two thousdand 800 spam messages about bying this software. I cannot stop them - they are sent to my web site address. I will probably have to redesign my web site and loose this email address. Do some careful research - this is a SCAM!!!!!!http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#670754Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:56:57 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:670754summerlove19http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#670754http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-670754.xmland Whitesmoke is still a scam.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#670733Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:31:25 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:670733ASaleh20http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#670733http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-670733.xmlI got the program a few months ago...so far, it works for me and has been a good source of help. I didnt get how ti install it at first and called the company someone helped me fix the problem. Other than that, it takes care of mistakes and has pointed out little things. I dunno...I like it. I dont except every suggestion bc sometimes theyre wrong, but its been a help and has found some things I no I would not have gotten. I think the people with problems should try to call again, it worked for me.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#660036Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:15:23 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:660036Anonymous21http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/6/drdvg/Post.htm#660036http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-660036.xmlHi Thank you very much for the forum entrances. I just come from the homepage of WhiteSmoke and really intended to purchase it (at least they have the refund policy, I thought to myself). LUCKILY, I checked the forums first and didn't buy it and will never buy it!!! Obviously, they are sceamers, there is no doubt. Best, Alexhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#642579Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:642579English-coach22http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#642579http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-642579.xmlI must agree with the English teacher...as I am an English teacher and I would NEVER recommend someone waste their money on this product. Stick to word and you will be fine. Dianahttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#616599Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:616599summerlove23http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#616599http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-616599.xmlThanks for the update Katherine. Everything about WhiteSmoke points to the fact that it is a scam - particularly the fact they market it as downloadable software, whereas it needs an Internet connection to work, and the fact that they make it as difficult as possible to ge a refund, and will not disclose their street address. Those are only two of the many problems with this company and its software. The solution is to comment on as many blgs on forums as possible, and send comments to the reviews departments of all the leading software magazines. Theier sales a re based mainly on INternet, so a high number of bad reviews will damage their trad intensley if they do not alter their attidute rapidly and offer a reasonable product and an...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#616081Thu, 21 May 2009 13:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:616081Anonymous24http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#616081http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-616081.xmlHi Again, I'm just giving a heads up attached to my first post. I finally did get a refund. It seems that you have to find the Customer Service agent with the magic email. I'm still not sure which of the ten emails I sent got the following response; however, at least I did get to a refund form and I got my refund within a few hours. Now it could be my numerous posts of my experiences (I'm currently trying to find all of them and post my solution) and they just wanted to get rid of me or the filling out the refund form that did it, but I'm passing on the secret link so hopefully someone in my situation can have an easier time getting a refund. Good Luck Katherine Wood -- We are sorry that you have decided to cancel...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#616059Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:616059Anonymous25http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#616059http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-616059.xmlHi again, After blanketing the company with requests for a refund, I got this email and a link to the refund form. Once I got to this point my refund came quickly. Trouble is... it seems you can't get to this form without a link... so I'm posting it. Good Luck Katherine Wood -- Dear Katherine, Thank you for contacting WhiteSmoke . We have generated a support ticket to help us track your inquiry. Your ticket code is **. Please use this code in any further communication. -- We are sorry that you have decided to cancel your WhiteSmoke subscription. We thank you for taking the time to evaluate our software. Please fill in our refund form at: http://www. whitesmoke .com/refund-form.html and a representative will contact you...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#610745Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:610745Anonymous26http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#610745http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-610745.xmlthanks summerlove, I've try the link. You are right, it is give a good result when translating to english. I've try this tool before, but, when I bought WhiteSmoke, Indonesian translator not available on google yet. That's why I bought Whitesmoke. Again, thanks for your info. Jayhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#610668Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:610668summerlove27http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#610668http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-610668.xmlHi Jay, Congratulations on your new blog. I particularly like the a rticlre about free softwre licences. However, don't be fooled into thinking that WHITESMOKE has done a good job on your English. If you were to write in your native language and drop the text here: http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en , the translation into English would be better than any corrections WHITESMOKE can offer you. And it's free. I still maintain that WhiteSmoke software is a scam.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#610601Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:610601Anonymous28http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#610601http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-610601.xmlI have been using WhiteSmoke since March 2008 and have no problem with it. If you didn't get your refund maybe because you claim it using impolite words or sentence. I think no one will give a refund if you ask it by yelling to them. If you think WhiteSmoke or other grammar tool will turn you from one with no knowledge in English to a perfect English writer, you are wrong. All of the software only correcting our grammar mistake, not creating a sentence and WhiteSmoke do the best for. At least for me. I am not native English and even not graduated from high school. But, you can see what have WhiteSmoke do for me. It helps me to write English better. I have a blog that I write in English, you can see it here . You will find a...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#598557Thu, 21 May 2009 13:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:598557summerlove29http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#598557http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-598557.xmlIf you are having problems with Whitesmoke just remember to write about it on as many forums as possible - something has to be done to stop these Internet fraudsters.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#598470Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:598470Anonymous30http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/5/drdvg/Post.htm#598470http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-598470.xmlHey i just had to tell them about getting a laywer and final they gave me my money back. when they said buy which was 7 business days.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#583721Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:583721Anonymous31http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#583721http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-583721.xmlI shhoud have read your comment. I completely agree with you. I uninstalled the program from my PC.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#583692Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:583692Anonymous32http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#583692http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-583692.xmlhello everyone, i was going to buy whitesmoke but after reading all these comments, i changed my mind. it is good to find such useful information.GUYS you saved me 149.95 dollars and whitesmoke lost a customer. regards,http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#582663Thu, 21 May 2009 13:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:582663Anonymous33http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#582663http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-582663.xmlHi Kate, I can't tell you what everyone else has experienced, but I'm really frustrated with the company. I purchased the Creative Writing program back on 10/5/2008. When they sent me the link for the download, I only got the general version. I figured there must be something that I needed to do, so I contacted customer support. I got an email back saying they would contact me in a couple days, but they never called or emailed. So, since the General version was in my purchase package, I began using it. It was ok, but it didn't pick up any thing more than Word 2007. After four days I got an error (Error 60). Past that point the program wouldn't work again. I contacted Customer Support- I didn't get an answer... again....http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#581270Thu, 21 May 2009 13:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:581270summerlove34http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#581270http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-581270.xmlAccording to the overwhelming complaints on many forums, it is clear that WhiteSmoke is some kind of scam. Anyone with a little knowledge of adverstising will immediately notice this from the false claims on their website, and the way they do their marketing by spam. The product is clearly desigtned to make as much money as possible by an agressive marketing campaign in a very short time. the operators will then retire on the money and close down the Whitesmoke product and its already non-exsitant support. The very name 'WhiteSmoke' should clearly be an indication of the tongue-in-cheek scam they are running. WhiteSmoke is smokeware. Nothing but smoke. There a re many other genuine products on the market which can be downloaded...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#581263Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:581263skywalker200135http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#581263http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-581263.xmlI am convinced you are absolutely correct in thinking it is a scam, as contacting this company is not easy and when they answer it is a totally irrelevant e-mail. If you want to get back at them report the incidence to the Internet fraud department. In fact we should all report this, at least it will get others off the hook. The software does nothing you cant do with free programs on-line. The worst part is you have to be connected to the Internet to use it...I am already looking else where for software. I have heard that Systran is a good program, and the thing is it is not as expensive as WhiteSmoke. So all you folks out there...report the site for fraud to warn off other possible victims...I am sure that this fraud will be punished by...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#573148Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:573148summerlove36http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#573148http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-573148.xmlIt's quite obvious from all the reports that are buzzing round the Internet that WhiteSmoke is some kind of a SCAM . Let's hope that for every fake review, someone will post or blog about the fraud that it is - Google will pick it up.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#573143Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:573143leegrandin37http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#573143http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-573143.xmlI don't think White smoke can improve english writing skills, but it is an amazing english grammar correction software, you can save more time for editing & proofreading.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#572509Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:572509Anonymous38http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#572509http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-572509.xmli have to say that you wrong, yes whitesmoke has some problems , but its much better then word what are you talking about, if you use white smoke as a speller then yes its like word but its a grammar software and it finds much more grammar mistakes , its nice to do commercials in forums but that is not true what you say , i tried to use grammatik and it doesnt come close to whitesmoke , its not a perfect program but it does better job then any other , but nothink bits the human brain and no software can come close to it but whitesmoke helps me with my grammar very much.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#567219Thu, 21 May 2009 13:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:567219Anonymous39http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/4/drdvg/Post.htm#567219http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-567219.xmlthey still my money and i dont have a servicehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#562492Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:562492Anonymous40http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#562492http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-562492.xmlI agree. People DO NOT BUY this product!! It's a fraud. does not check for DETERMINATE AND INDETERMINATE ARTICLES. For a native slavic speaker it is extremely important.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#555522Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:555522Anonymous41http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#555522http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-555522.xmlI returned the product because I was dissatisfied with it. Where the program should have made corrections it didn't and where it shouldn't have it did.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#550365Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:550365Anonymous42http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#550365http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-550365.xmlBeware! I purchased the software and wanted it in two different operating systems. It allows you two downloads but does not specify any restrictions. When I discovered I could not download it the second time in any operating system, I wrote to Whitesmoke following the $-back guarantee procedures specified. I wrote several times, but never received a response. No phone number is listed, so I looked them up and discovered that they have only a mailbox in Delaware--no real address. They are a rip-off company! Since I paid via Paypal, I had no recourse. Please be very careful. If you have a high school diploma, your writing skills probably exceed capabilities of this product.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#544381Thu, 21 May 2009 13:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:544381Anonymous43http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#544381http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-544381.xmlThanks for all the info. I was just about to purchase their software when I decided to do a last minute google for reviews. I don't think I'll be purchasing it after all. Its a pity really. I really need help when it comes to grammar and sentence construction. My english sucks. Can I pretend its my second language? Perhaps I should start to practice a foriegn accent..http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#529714Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:43:32 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:529714Anonymous44http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#529714http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-529714.xmlLike others, I wish I had searched for a review before buying this piece of junk program. I purchased the program with a backup CD and such for $149 and cannot get it to work. On top of this, Whitesmoke software has horrible to non-existant customer service and makes it nearly impossible to contact real help. I have even warned them that I would be posting negative reviews and sharing information about their software at a writer's conference, and they still haven't responded. Look up the word "refund" on their forums and see people with unresolved complaints. Yes, I saw your comments in the forum, thanks for that, that made me check some of the reviews on the internet and they are pretty mixed. Think I'll save the...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#529369Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:43:32 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:529369Anonymous45http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#529369http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-529369.xmlLike others, I wish I had searched for a review before buying this piece of junk program. I purchased the program with a backup CD and such for $149 and cannot get it to work. On top of this, Whitesmoke software has horrible to non-existant customer service and makes it nearly impossible to contact real help. I have even warned them that I would be posting negative reviews and sharing information about their software at a writer's conference, and they still haven't responded. Look up the word "refund" on their forums and see people with unresolved complaints.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#515340Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:43:32 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:515340Anonymous46http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#515340http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-515340.xmlTo anyone out there, do not purchase the WhiteSmoke software it is a fraud.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#466738Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:43:32 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:466738Anonymous47http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#466738http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-466738.xmlpurchased dated 01/19/2008 from Whitesmoke . I tired to download the software, and I have tried to downloading it three times. It is giving me the error installation message below. It is giving me this message "self registration error" and "application has failed to start because is incorrect, reinstalling the application may fix the problem", I tried reinstalling white smoke again, but no sign of progress. You can see in their forum http://www.whitesmoke.com/forum/read.php?10,664 and at this other help forum http://www.whitesmoke.com/forum/read.php?10,664 that other people are having this problem. They lists a fax number on their website but they don’t list a number for the client to call. I would really love to use their...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#446820Thu, 21 May 2009 13:43:32 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:446820Anonymous48http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/3/drdvg/Post.htm#446820http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-446820.xmlIt's appalling (the 2008 version anyway). If you launch it from, say, Word, you can't edit your Word document, only the WhiteSmoke window. If you then save your edits it destroys the formatting of the text block it's just checked. Basically it works in plain text mode only. It doesn't matter though, because it doesn't work as well as the grammar checker in Word, and much of what it suggests is nonesense. The enrichment may work, sort of, but it just suggests adding words, when clarity would demand that you leave them out. The popup dictionary/theasurus may appeal to some, it's a lot better than the oh so politically correct Encarta product (look up minx), but it has a 30MB footprint. If you are looking for a grammar checker use Grammatik...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/2/drdvg/Post.htm#439650Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:43:32 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:439650Anonymous49http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhitesmokeComReview/2/drdvg/Post.htm#439650http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments25-439650.xmlI tried it and others as well and find that most of them are useless. I did find one that I liked and ended up buying called Correct English. They let me try it free first (www.correctenglish.com) and I found it easy to use. Of all that I tried, this one seemed to work the best.