http://www.englishforums.com/English/BookFilmReviews/Forum26.htmRead a forum by its cover.enXMOD (Build: 3598.39794)http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#265923Fri, 08 May 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:265923Ville_maddengurl0http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#265923http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-265923.xmlAnonymous wrote: <Libel removed - Mod> Since there are large amount of armenian lobbiests around the world and turkish haters mr.Pamuk will be promotted not because he is a great writer. i bought my name is red and couldn't keep myself interrested more than one chapter and heard pretty much the smae from a lot of other people. if you want to read his books because of his political views go a head. they are not worth a dime! you like him cuz he caresses your ego... every normal person can notice his works are disgusting ... and why dont u show your name ?http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#265168Fri, 08 May 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:265168Bastille1http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#265168http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-265168.xmli read Istanbul from orhan pamuk and he tells his life in the book so i suggest it to book lovers who are interested in his childhood and some parts of his life.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#264733Fri, 08 May 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:264733Anonymous2http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#264733http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-264733.xml<Libel removed - Mod> Since there are large amount of armenian lobbiests around the world and turkish haters mr.Pamuk will be promotted not because he is a great writer. i bought my name is red and couldn't keep myself interrested more than one chapter and heard pretty much the smae from a lot of other people. if you want to read his books because of his political views go a head. they are not worth a dime!http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#244098Fri, 08 May 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:244098Anonymous3http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#244098http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-244098.xmlYou must be Turkish... As a Turk I hate his works.... As a person who had done Lit. I hate him again....http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#243444Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:243444Hulyaa4http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#243444http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-243444.xmlhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#243214Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:243214Ramax5http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#243214http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-243214.xmlooo this is excellent explanationhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#242686Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:242686Hulyaa6http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#242686http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-242686.xmlwhy don't you understand? if the A hates B,and C hates A, so C can love Bhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#241920Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:241920Ramax7http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/6/bzlln/Post.htm#241920http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-241920.xmlall turkish people hate him , me too. but some of european people love him. i don't understand this.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#241836Fri, 08 May 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:241836Ville_maddengurl8http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#241836http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-241836.xmlyes me too and i hated him!(and it was really hard to get him cuz he has really disgusting exposition) he is stateless ...briefly he is NOTHING ...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#241624Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:241624Damner9http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#241624http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-241624.xmlIn addition to this i agree his books are not worth readin cause i read many of them...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#241621Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:241621Damner10http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#241621http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-241621.xmlOrhan Pamuk is a traitor and turncoat, because he supperts so-called armenia genocide, dont read him he's not a turkish!!http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#239471Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:239471Ville_maddengurl11http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#239471http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-239471.xmldont worry Melte his books are not worth readinghttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#239109Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:239109Melte12http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#239109http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-239109.xmlI couldn't find it in my country...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#238090Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:238090Ville_maddengurl13http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#238090http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-238090.xmlaint worth readinghttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#226650Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:226650Melte14http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#226650http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-226650.xmlFrankly speaking, I have never read his stories but now I will get them to read. So now who plays on whom, media on you or Orhan on the media? i agree, i will try to get them toohttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#217103Fri, 08 May 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:217103Anonymous15http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#217103http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-217103.xmlHow can you fabricate these lies , i really can't understand you.When they killed thousands of Turks why wasn't that a genocide??Aren't Turks human???You don't see Turks as human so you don't accept that as genocide , if armenians hadn't killed Turks, Turks wouldn't have killed them too..To be a genocide , they must be innocent. In war time if someone kill someone , the others kill the otherones ,this is rule. Armenians saying this lie because they are playing a dirty game ,they want northeastern Turkey. This is their primary aim. To achieve this aim, they say these lies to the world.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#217058Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:217058Anonymous16http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/5/bzlln/Post.htm#217058http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-217058.xmlYou wish he hadn't said such, is like saying you deny it as well. You know it happened. There is plenty of proof.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#210047Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:210047Anonymous17http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#210047http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-210047.xmlSorry to tell, but the subject of the forum is Orhan Pamuk, and of course his stories. And again and again the theme developed into the discussions about the Genocide of Armenians and Kurds, and the denial of it. The fact is that there was a massacre, whether you deny it or not! The facts show that! Who is guitly it's another side of the story! But it is obvious, that not the Orhan plays on the media, but the media plays on you all! What's of it that every one wrote on this forum that he hates Orhan? You yourself are advertising the most unloved Orhan . Frankly speaking, I have never read his stories but now I will get them to read. So now who plays on whom, media on you or Orhan on the media? The whole discussion made me laugh frankly...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#203536Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:203536YoungCalifornian18http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#203536http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-203536.xmlHow about David Irving? While I don't respect his beliefs, I do respect his right to voice them. I find the idea of someone standing trial for an opinion, no matter how controversial or offensive, simply ludicrous.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#203508Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:203508milky19http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#203508http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-203508.xmlYoungCalifornian wrote: How can you "hate" someone for voicing their beliefs? How about David Irving? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_John_Cawdell_Irvinghttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#203301Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:203301Janissary20http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#203301http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-203301.xmli dont want to write again.i have mentioned all my opions over the matter in threads about Armeninas. as for Orhan Pamuk i think as is said he want to add his popularism to popularism.he has nothing to do with history. he is not a historician. but what is his attitude towards the matter. he said in a party to which only foreign journalists were invited (thats his hypocrisy becuse he defends the freedom of expresiion but look what he does) " i am not wanted in Turkey because i say the things no one can dare to say" what a nonsense. everyone knows there were killed Armenians as well as Turks at that war time in hardships.but the matter is not if there were killed Armenians or not. i deduce from his attitude he is just playing to...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#202522Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:202522Ville_maddengurl21http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#202522http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-202522.xmli dont hate who likes Orhan Pamuk... i hate Orhan Pamuk cuz he cant write good. the people like him cuz he distorts turkish history...the people like him cuz he inflates the people who againts turkey... Orhan Pamuk's goal is fame, money, prize... he is ambitious and dirty. he sold turkish history to be famous... his turkish works are really disgusting! he couldnt be succesfull in turkey... and he decided to exploid the hateful feelings of armenians... and the people believed him... and i dont think they should pride of him...they should kick his ass...they should figure out that Orhan Pamuk tricked them... why dont they understand Orhan Pamuk is the most ignoble person of the world...! people wake up and realize! he doesnt mirror what he...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#202416Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:202416YoungCalifornian22http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#202416http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-202416.xmlI've already made my views on the Armenian genocide known, so I'm not going to go over that again (there's already a thread in the Controversial Subjects forum). Still, I find it disturbing that so many Turks get so furious at an opinion which threatens Turkish nationalism. How can you "hate" someone for voicing their beliefs? While this author's opinion may be very controversial in Turkey, it's much less so around the rest of the world. Realize that outside of Turkey, the attempted genocide of the Armenians is pretty much considered fact. I'm not trying to convince you of something you don't want to believe, only to point out that this author's view is held by many people around the rest of the world. Do you hate all of them as well?http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#201407Fri, 08 May 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:201407Anonymous23http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#201407http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-201407.xmlI hate him too. He is characterless, odious!!!!! He likes money very much!!http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#183880Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:183880Ville_maddengurl24http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#183880http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-183880.xmlyepphttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#179635Fri, 08 May 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:179635Anonymous25http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/4/bzlln/Post.htm#179635http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-179635.xmli hate him too. and who like him is my enemy...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#176012Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:176012Ville_maddengurl26http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#176012http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-176012.xmleven i hate him i wanna throw up when i see him!http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#173596Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:173596YoHf27http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#173596http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-173596.xmloO...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#173561Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:173561Ville_maddengurl28http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#173561http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-173561.xmli really dont like orhan pamukhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#173221Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:173221Zakin29http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#173221http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-173221.xmli hate orhan pamuk. he is doin divisiveness. i hate himm ;hate himmmmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#173218Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:173218Anonymous30http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#173218http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-173218.xmli hate Orhan Pamuk couse he is doing divisiveness. hate him; hate him; hate himhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#170739Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:170739Anonymous31http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#170739http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-170739.xmlMost of the people, who like Orhan pamuk, like him just because they find what they want to find in his books about the people who is against or the people who is defending. To be frank with you, I have read much much more literary works which were remained obscure. When it comes to why his novels are very famous, there is only one answer. His creations serve a mission more than literacy and of course due to the support of people or some lobbies. There is a fact that everyone should consider, Orhan pamuk is not a historian. While hundreds of academicians and historians assert the opposite ideas of Orhan pamuk scientifically, how people can be so blind to see the truth is a one-million-dolar question to me. Take a look at the recent...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#170223Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:170223Anonymous32http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#170223http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-170223.xmlOrhan Pamuk is a great liar.He looks for fame and prestije.He have a team writing his novels.All his novels are masonic psychobable and historical hoaxes.His father is a wealthy banker.The jewish media and lobby is behind him.He reminds me anothet charlatan Salman Rushdie.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#137428Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:137428Xinka33http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#137428http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-137428.xmlI wonder why do Armenians keep on poking their noses into everything related with Turks? They take every remark as being directed against themselves and start playing the drama queen. They still don't give me the pip, I know they have nothing to say except that genocide fishy story.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#134548Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:134548Anonymous34http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/3/bzlln/Post.htm#134548http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-134548.xmlLook guys, I'm Turkish and I'm proud of being Turkish. I've served in the army in Urfa and I have personally seen the bad things done to the local population, Kurds and Turks too. Orhan Pamuk, has made a statement that has driven a stake into the Turkish government's side. Here is Turkey doing back-flips to get into the EU and then Pamuk comes along with he's comments. Look these could be true or false that's not the real issue, the real issue is much larger and has huge implications on Turkey's future. This being "can a Turk or a foreigner make anti-governmental remarks in Turkey and not feel the arm of the law", currently the answer is no. It is wrong for a government to persecute people just because they dissagree with them. Do I...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#132758Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:132758Anonymous35http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#132758http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-132758.xml"...the so-called Armenian genocide and so-called massacre of Kurdish people...." What a load of tosh! (now there's an English word you don’t hear much any more!), look mate, How can you try to be so democratic, but don't hasitate to make fun of somebody's word whose native language is far more different than yours.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#132756Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:132756Anonymous36http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#132756http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-132756.xmlafter almost a century later after mass dissappearnce of armenians, wittnessing the collapsing of centuries of old churches in the mighty mountains of east (of Turkey) makes you enough sad. Many rats took the advantage of this mass dissapperaance. Of course, facist ideology was spreaded all over to judge the actions. Many tastes, many faces irreverseably lost from beatiful asia minor. Well, what we have is now ruins of an extinct tribe of asia minor.Centuries we lived peacfully. Same blood is now flowing in our veins. Sorrow is ours. I am sick of this -western type- statistical approach to world conflicts. I am sick of seeing the leaders of the civilized nations stressing the discrimination issues with great sense and...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#131207Fri, 08 May 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:131207Nonconformist37http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#131207http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-131207.xmlBu adam niye heryerde soykırım diye yırtınıyo anlamış değilim..Sakın cevap vermeyin bu adama konuşsun dursun..bi üsttekinden bahsediyorum bu arada Orhan Pamuk 'tan değilhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#130759Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:130759Secret_sam00738http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#130759http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-130759.xml"...the so-called Armenian genocide and so-called massacre of Kurdish people...." What a load of tosh! (now there's an English word you don’t hear much any more!), those massacres are a matter of historical fact! Every bit as much as the German genocide of Jews, Poles, Russian & Gypsy; the Japanse in China, Rwanda, Serbia, or the rape of Nanking. To deny history like that is mere nationalism, and it not worthy of any scholar... Or do you think the large Armenian Christian minority all went on a holiday perhaps...?? The history - both written and pictorial of those massacres still exists today, and is horrifying in its barbarity. While the absolute numbers were far exceeded later by the Germans, Japanese and...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#124988Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:124988Anonymous39http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#124988http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-124988.xmlI adore The Black Book too and prefer it to The White Castle and The My Name is Red. Unfortunately in my country haven't translated The Snow yet, or I've never heard about it.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#124612Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:124612Anonymous40http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#124612http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-124612.xmlmy favourite book of him is The Black Book...White Castle and the snow is not as good as silent house or the black book...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#122954Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:122954Anonymous41http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#122954http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-122954.xmlMANY GOOD TURKS SAVED ARMENIANS AT THE RISK OF THEIR OWN LIVES AND FAMILIES. MY ARMENIAN UNCLE WAS SAVED THAT WAY DURING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 1915-1923. UNFORTUNATELY THERE WERE NOT ENOUGH "RIGHTEOUS" TURKS. THE OTTOMAN GOVERNMENT WAS DETERMINED TO "PURIFY" TURKEY AND ATATURK'S NEW REPUBLIC FINISHED THE JOB. YESNIGhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#120750Fri, 08 May 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:120750Anonymous42http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#120750http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-120750.xmlto uykusuz ... i dont know what time you wrote this comment , but i think its funny my friend , do you think a writer like orhan pamuk will do something like that to gain reputation ?? I dont think so I hope u've learned - from his books - that the words republic , vatan and ataturk arn't adorable, just try to see the other side of them and compare between the political devolopment of your country and the onr of other countries that you wanna join them !http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#112866Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:112866Miche43http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/2/bzlln/Post.htm#112866http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-112866.xmlThank you both! I've read The White Castle already. All in all, I've found two books by Orhan Pamuk translated in my language. I'll have to check up for English translations to find something else (Snow for instance). Cheers!http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/bzlln/post.htm#112747Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:112747yulysess44http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/bzlln/post.htm#112747http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-112747.xmlSorry, Miche, for answering late, weekend you know. Yes, I like Joyce and his novel "Ulysess" was my diplom study and graduation thesis in university. I strictly recommend you Orhan Pamuk's "White Castle", delineates the opposition and final confluence of eastern and western patterns of thinking within the main character's consciousness. Orha Pamuk "The White Castle". Trans. By Victoria Holbrook. New York: Vintage. Slobin, D.I and Aksu, A. 1982. take carehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/bzlln/post.htm#112152Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:112152uykusuz45http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/bzlln/post.htm#112152http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-112152.xmlSnow is the best recommendation for you. You will also have some information about islamic-rooted political parties and their activities...http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/bzlln/post.htm#112095Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:112095Miche46http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/bzlln/post.htm#112095http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-112095.xmlHi, Yukusuz, Now it's clear. I'm happy you like Orhan Pamuk's books too. I'll probably have to look for some more of his books here. Best wishesh!http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/bzlln/post.htm#112094Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:33:56 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:112094Miche47http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/bzlln/post.htm#112094http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-112094.xmlHi, Yulysess, It hasn't occurred to me that there could be some connection but now that you mention it, yes, one can look at Orhan Pamuk's book in this way. I'm not sure he is really influenced by Eco, but I agree that one can see some semiological issues in his books. BTW, do you like Joyce? (Given you nickname...)http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/bzlln/post.htm#112083Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:33:57 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:112083uykusuz48http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/bzlln/post.htm#112083http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-112083.xmlActually I meant he wanted to get more popular in anti-Turkish people by saying about alleged Armenian genocide and massacres of Kurds. I'm agree with you about his books. I only wanted his ideas about what i said before are not acceptable for Turkish people. I wish he hadn't talked about the issues that he hadn't enough knowledge. But his books are good, and as you said, when you read them, you can see Turkish soul and mentality.http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/bzlln/post.htm#111951Fri, 08 May 2009 09:33:57 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:111951yulysess49http://www.englishforums.com/English/OrhanPamuk/bzlln/post.htm#111951http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments26-111951.xmlHi Miche, You are right. I've read his several books and share your opinions. I don't know you consent me if I say he is deeply influenced by Umberto Eco's semiological approach.