http://www.englishforums.com/English/ControversialTopics/Forum28.htm<font color=red>This entire section is moderated</font><br> Dedicated to continual re-education and our search for a broader understanding of life. Please register if you wish to post here.enXMOD (Build: 3616.28671)http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#112500Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:112500robbie0http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#112500http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-112500.xmlI don't need to read the European Constitution. If corporations, businessmen, political parties and civil servants tell me to vote Yes, I know where I need to put my cross.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#106581Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:106581candy1http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#106581http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-106581.xmlI've been interested in the fate of the new European Union constitution. A lot of articles concerning the EU constituion and referenda in the member states often appeared in newspapers(....almost everyday......even in my country in East Asia!). At first I thought the constitution would be narrowly ratified by voters in France and the Netherlands......because there were discussions about the constitution in a foul mood at some websites I visited, and I received the impression (from what I had read there) that probably 50% of voters would vote for 'yes.' So... when the new constituion was overwhelmingly rejected by French voters, I was a little surprised at the result. Actually, I didn't know much about the constituion 'itself'...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#105016Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:105016abbie19482http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#105016http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-105016.xmlNaturally, Delb, but I am not the only voter in the country. Many do not have access to internet. Every citizen should be provided with a precis of the constitution, if not the whole documenthttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#104923Tue, 26 May 2009 15:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:104923delb3http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#104923http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-104923.xmlCome on abbie, you've got internet, do you!!! Just click http://europa.eu.int/constitution/en/lstoc1_en.htm and you can read the full constitution in every language you likehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#104913Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:104913abbie19484http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#104913http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-104913.xmlDelb European Constitution for Idiots? Hmm...I'm not sure that I know what you mean.. This is what I mean, Delb: Guest I read that British citizens have not even been issued with copies of the contitution. How can they be expected to vote on something they know nothing about? Furthermore, something which effectively supercedes all existing British laws? The only information we have received is party political stuff like the propaganda posted by another guest from a leaflet by CREC. This is the Campaign to Reject the European Constitution , and can hardly be called objective. It would be helpful to us if we were given a simple breakdown of the main points so that we can effectively engage in an informed debate.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#104844Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:104844Guest5http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#104844http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-104844.xmlI suprised people vote YEShttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#104819Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:104819Clive Woodward6http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/2/bvchz/Post.htm#104819http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-104819.xmlIf a company fails an audit, aren't there legal penalties? Isn't anyone even slightly upset that the E.U auditors have refused to approve the E.U. accounts for the last 8 years? There has to be something seriously wrong going on here. How can important decisions affecting so many peoples lives be entrusted to a body that can't even account for its finances? "Where is Mr Smith?" "I'm sorry Sir, we have no entry for a Mr Smith" "That's rather odd isn't it?" "No, not at all Sir, these things happen all the time. Last week we lost an entire country! Gone without a trace!""http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104811Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:104811Guest7http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104811http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-104811.xmlmessage from moderator Guest has not clearly stated the aims of CREC, and the following information is from a leaflet published by CREC - Campaign to Reject the European Constitution. It therefore constitutes a political statement on behalf of a pressure group / lobbying group. Posters who wish to find out more about CREC can visit their website at http://www.european-referendum.org.uk/ where you will find links to other anti-EU groups and political parties. We would be interested in your comments on the statements below. Six Questions and Answers on the Proposed European Constitution This leaflet, by CREC, a group of British people from all walks of life, informs you about a vital subject - the attempt to replace the...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104809Tue, 26 May 2009 15:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:104809Guest8http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104809http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-104809.xmlI read that British citizens have not even been issued with copies of the contitution. How can they be expected to vote on something they know nothing about? Furthermore, something which effectively supercedes all existing British laws? Round one seems to have gone to the 'NO' camp. What I fear is that in round 2, the 'people' will have absolutely no say in the outcome whatsoever (as was the case in Germany, where there was NO democratic referendum). Dandy carrots will be dangled ... but look out for the stick! "The most effective way to restrict democracy is to transfer decision-making from the public arena to unaccountable institutions." Noam Chomskyhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104775Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:104775delb9http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104775http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-104775.xmlEuropean Constitution for Idiots? Hmm...I'm not sure that I know what you mean.. Mike: The people of the member states do at least have the right to participate the elections for the European Parliament. They did this last year, some of them... And as for the posts: That is the same in every government. Sharann: What I meant is: The Europeans are so proud of their history in so many ways and they certainly do have good reasons for this, but it is nothing you can build a future on. So many people here in Germany (and elsewhere too, I think) are scared of people from the eastern countries for instance coming and getting their jobs. What they don't see is: We desperately need them because the Germans don't get enough children. Times...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104765Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:104765abbie194810http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104765http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-104765.xmlI think this is the problem Mike. Who wants to read the constitution? Pas moi, for one. But I would appreciate a precis - European Constitution for Idiots. If we have a referendum in UK, we will be asked to vote on something we know nothing about, so back to "Trust Me Teflon Tony" then.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104465Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:104465Mike in Japan11http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104465http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-104465.xmlI haven't read the constitution, but I have read a few opinions that the constitution diminishes people's democratic rights, and centralises power in the hands of leaders many of whom have not even been elected to their posts. Is there any truth in these opinions?http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104329Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:104329Sharann12http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104329http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-104329.xmlYou're right Delb to say that french people wanted to say no to the government, nevertheless, that was not the question and I regret that that French misenderstood the question which was say yes or no to the Constitution and not to say yes or no to the government, or to say that the unemployment rate is too high, as it is in other countries in Europe. Nonetheless, I'm not sure to follow you when you say that Europeans always look back instead of going ahead.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104146Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:104146delb13http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#104146http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-104146.xmlI wonder whether the people really know the content of the constitution. I do not but would have voted 'yes'. I think it is sad in a way... May be the French people wanted to say 'no' to their government and high unemployment rates? Very understandable! But having a constitution is necessary to get a better feeling about what Europe means. Europeans always look back, they need to go ahead...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#103913Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:103913Mike in Japan14http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htm#103913http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-103913.xmlI was a little amused when watching the BBC news this morning. There has been a pretty firm 'no' vote from the French people, but all the politicians interviewed were in denial. They merely lamented the fact that the new 'constitution' hadn't been 'sold' well enough. No one seemed to have been considering the possibilty that the 'constitution' may actually be seriously flawed, at least in the eyes of the voting public.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htmThu, 26 Feb 2009 16:57:34 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:103875Sharann15http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatEuropeanConstitution/bvchz/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-103875.xmlUntil tonight it was THE subject in France, is it the same in other countries? What do Europeans think about this topic? Do they really involved in the subject? And what do others think about this poll, or by the legislative way of agreement? Thanks for your comments