http://www.englishforums.com/English/ControversialTopics/Forum28.htm<b><font color=red>This entire section is moderated</font></b><br> Dedicated to continual re-education and our search for a broader understanding of life. Please register if you wish to post here.enXMOD (Build: 3598.39794)http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#623175Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:623175Saltukhan0http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#623175http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-623175.xmlHey everyone Let me tell you about something When i was 16 i realised that i am a kidney patient. Doctors said you are suffering kidney insufficiency. It was a chronical disease. It is coming with you through your life. I suffered it for 5 years. In 2003 my lovely mother gave one of her kidney to me for my recoveribg. After renal transplantation ( organ- kidney transplantation) i was better and my mom was good. We are both good now. I graduated from university in 2008. I am very well now. I can play soccer, swim, run and travel. I am looking for a job. I can look for a job. Thanks God. and my mother is still good. I know there are some religional beliefs against organ donation. But think of that people Religions are for people and...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#574532Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:574532Anonymous1http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#574532http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-574532.xmli think that it is cool in a way!☺http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#573930Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:573930Anonymous2http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#573930http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-573930.xmlYou have the right to believe as you wish but here are somethings that might change your mind. 18 people die every day because of lack of organ donations from people like YOU! (U.S. Department of Health &amp; Human Services) There are 99,952 people on a waiting list, just waiting to get an organ transplant. Some of them DIE just from waiting. 16,385 transplants were don from January to June of 2008 There are 8,325 current organ donors as of right now! There are 2 types of donations, one from living donors and one from those who have passed away. Although the goverment doesn&#39;t actively encourage anyone to be a living donor due to the unknown long term effects but you could &amp; WILL SAVE LIFE!!! Once you are dead you can&#39;t feel...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#457340Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:457340Anonymous3http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#457340http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-457340.xmlClive when I read the first several lines I was in shock then I got to your punchline I was in stiches ! A former 6th grade student of mine is a recipient of a heart.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#446951Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:446951Anonymous4http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#446951http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-446951.xmli'm only 16 years old and i am strongly for organ donations, if you can help saves someones life why not? i mean all the organs are going to do are rot in you're grave after you die. and you won't look different at a funeral, they will sow it up and plus nobody will ever see it unless you are a nudist and are nude at ur funeral. oh and i will always be for organ donation until someone gives me over a hundered different reasons not to be....which will most likely not happenhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#446948Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:446948Anonymous5http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#446948http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-446948.xmlI personally don't get why anyone would be agianst it...unless you don't have a heart. This helps save peoples lifes and think about it..if someone close to you needed a transplant how would you feel? i would hope somewhere there would be someone that would want to donate and want to save someones life, even a complete strangers.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#429845Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:429845Anonymous6http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/7/bgndh/Post.htm#429845http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-429845.xmli think u are avery selfish person. my husband was killed in a car accident and he was a very young person. he has helped somebody see again and has provided many people with bone marrow. i think thst you need to reconsider how you feel about organ donation. put yourself in the shoes of somenone that is all for organ donation. wouldn't you want to live a longer life if an organ was available to you. once againn i think that you are a very selfi8sh persaon.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#424006Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:424006Insider7http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#424006http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-424006.xmlI would gladly donate my organs to any good will use.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#423447Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:423447Anonymous8http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#423447http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-423447.xmlIn my case I will not donate my organs, have registered my choice, notified my family, and signed my drivers license as such. One of the previous posts came close to my reason for being against organ donation. More specifically, I would not want my organs going to someone that for genetic or lifestyle reasons they are dying. Genetically, is that if they have a disease or disorder that eventually causes or will cause their death, why should we as a society perpetuate that defect in the gene pool? Same with lifestyle; if someone destroys their liver with alcohol, lungs with smoking, etc. what is the point? Is it a reward because they can afford it? Take the case of Mickey Mantle, he should have never even been put on the list to get a...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#379783Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:379783Titithi9http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#379783http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-379783.xmlI think people who donate organ and body are very generous. After they have died, they could save a lot of other people. However, I agree with you, there are a lot of businesses without any humanity and a lot of immoral doctors. As you see, it needs a group of doctors to transplant this organ! A lot of doctors forget their Hippocrate's vows, a lot of irresponsible polices and a lot of gangters. It's a horror of cruelty.The government should arrange this disorder and protect the generous act of the donation and have a plan to punish these criminals. It seems there is a relation between developed countries and the developing countries in the field of powerful concept.A developed country is not only rich but also has a great power over the...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#377075Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:377075Muslimah10http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#377075http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-377075.xmli don't accept it, even if the countries made a strict rules for it, somehow, we'll find gangs, attacking people to use their organ as business without any humanity, a large disorder will exists and the strong will protect him self, and the weak people will lost their lives, may be my sight is black, to look at the bad corner only.. so i do NOT agree with it.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#376430Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:376430Grammar Geek11http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#376430http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-376430.xmlAnonymous wrote: My body, just like my money, my house, or any other possesions, is mine to determine with what is done with it once I have passed on. You're absolutely right. If you wanted to, you could specify that all of your assets were to be converted to paper money, and used to start the blaze that would burn down your house, thus eliminating all benefit anyone else could receive from your estate. Of course, it's a lot more useful to those left behind if you do let them have use of your assets, but it's your choice. I just wonder what possible good one's organs are to one after one is dead. About as much good as my bank account will be to me after I'm dead, I guess. I would never, never argue that you should be...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#376421Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:376421Anonymous12http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#376421http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-376421.xmlVery simple. I am not a resource to be harvested. I find it interesting that they have changed the procedure to call it recovery now. Recovery implies a type of ownership, something that was lost, has now been recovered. My body, just like my money, my house, or any other possesions, is mine to determine with what is done with it once I have passed on. I have no obligation to allow my money, my house, my posessions to be 'recovered' for the benefit of others. Now, if I wish to be altuistic, I can donate as I see fit, but i very much disagree with the attitude that not being an organ doner makes me somehow evil or horrible. My attitude would be that if my immediate family needed an organ at the time of my death, it is theirs. I leave that...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#370368Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370368Jane Greco13http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#370368http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370368.xmlI used to think that donating your body to science after death is a really good move,but once I saw this programe on the telly,showing how they used dead bodies in a car crash tests ,or stydying decomposition by just leaving a dead body on the sun ,and let it rot,in order to find out how long would it take for maggots and ants to clean it up. I really don't think it has something to do with a human dignity.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#369390Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:369390nona the brit14http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#369390http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-369390.xmlInteresting. You could use that argument against any form of medical treatment though, not just transplants. If someone has a disease or an accident, we shouldn't treat them, as they are meant to die.?http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#369297Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:369297Anonymous15http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/6/bgndh/Post.htm#369297http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-369297.xmlI am against donating my organs, you see my belief is that if someone is meant to die from something that thats the wy it should be. Not being horrible or anything, but im fed up of my mates trying to convince me. They say im stingy and that if my little brother need a heart trasplant and you have just recently died wouldnt you give him it! i replied no as if hes meant to die from it he will if hes not a donour will come along. However, I am not saying that donating orgns should be stopped as, if people want to donate organs its their choice and no-one should stop them. But im fed up of walking around being called mean or stingy because of my choice it makes me feel ashamed but will never make me change my mind. I also believe say...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#358728Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:358728Anonymous16http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#358728http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-358728.xmlOkay well organ and body donations help people get organs, either from living or deceased people so people don't have to die because they don't have the organs, and it's stupid to be against that.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#356372Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:356372Anonymous17http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#356372http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-356372.xmlyou don't donate your organs while you are alive. you donate so that after you die someone else can live.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#352888Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:352888Doll18http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#352888http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-352888.xmlAnon. please don't use offensive words.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#352682Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:352682Anonymous19http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#352682http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-352682.xmlAlright you morons lets get one thing straight it is your organs to give away . Also you are already dead so it for one won't hurt and two it will probably save some ones life. What if you had a young daughter that would die if she did not get another heart, where the heck do you think they get that heart, from some deed person that out of the goodness of their heart gave their heart away after they died.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#352339Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:352339Anonymous20http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#352339http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-352339.xmlPeople who consent to donate their bodies to the Body Worlds exhibit have are greatly informed of what will happen to their bodies. They are aware that they will be on display and those who consent are being used as teaching tools. I learned a great deal from the exhibit and have considered donating my body to them as well. Don't think for a minute that the people behind Body Worlds took bodies or organs that weren't specifically donated to them.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#332430Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:332430Titithi21http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#332430http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-332430.xmlI don't agree with you but I think Levia is very nice though she's not a brave girl and afraid of hospital and surgeries.All of my friends have the same feeling as her.They like to give blood to save people but they are always dizzy to get to the donation blood car.People who decide to donate their organs after death are really the most respectable.In my country, transplant kidney is an important event so people use to receive this organ from one of the members of their family.The other transplants are not performed ,however people used to donate their bodies after death for medicine university. Students require to practice on the bodies at the first year. Some boy's friends of my friends who attended in the economic science university...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#332231Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:332231Anonymous22http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#332231http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-332231.xmlI am for it. Um ok, to the person who said that "life without organs or a body just wouldn't be worth it" is B.S. You obviously wouldn't be ALIVE if you didn't have organs or a body. duh. think about it and save a life!http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#325727Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:325727Anonymous23http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#325727http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-325727.xmlSome people think they are going to look different at their funeral.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#298778Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:298778Levia24http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/5/bgndh/Post.htm#298778http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-298778.xmlThe people who are determined to donate thire organs is the most respectable one.A person who have strong determitation can only make this decision. I sincerelly adore them. Nowadays, we discern too many thragedies. There are a great many of humans need our help. You donation will save a person,evan their families. Personally, it is too hard to donate my body or organs.Firstly, I am not a brave girl and afraid of hospital and surgeries.I have no clear idea when the havest will be done, when you are still alive or totally dead. Once when you are totally dead, I think most of us should think about it. In my opinion, when you are dead, you konw nothing(I don't believe the eternal life) and don't feel pain.In the meantime, you can save a...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#298544Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:298544Anonymous25http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#298544http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-298544.xmlOkay, I don't know what book you read about organ donation, but if you donate an organ, it is going to be one that you don't absolutely HAVE to have. It would be just like having your appendix out. And if you give any organ that you don't need, it isn't going to be until after you are dead and then it won't really matter anyway. What if you were dying from kidney failure or something and nobody would donate a kidney because they felt it was "unnatural" or because they were scared. If it were someone I were close to, I would be highly offended. Yeah, it may hurt a little but people have plastic surgery everyday just so that they can feel better about themselves. If they can go through the pain of plastic surgery, I think you will be okay...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#295698Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:295698Anonymous26http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#295698http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-295698.xmlDonating your organs is very important. Your going to be DEAD. Why not help save someone's life?? My mom is a reciepent. SHE WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT AMAZING DONOR. I'm so greatful for that. How can you ever thank anyone for that?!? Put yourself in the situation...Yes, of course it's very scary to donate your organs when your alive, but it would be worth it. My mom is also currently waiting for a kidney transplant...she has a living donor..just waiting for the goe on that! PROMOTE ORGAN DONATION!http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#293600Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:293600Anonymous27http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#293600http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-293600.xmlok i am a 16 year old and i am doing report on the views of donating organs can you explain what you mean or in teenage lingo could you dumb it down so i can understand what your view is if you would e-mail me and help me out that would be great (removed by mod. please register and add your email address to your profile. It is not sensible to post your email address on an open forum) sign renaegirlwowhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#292003Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:292003Fuwano Shouta28http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#292003http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-292003.xmlFor myself, I feel that once I no longer have a use for my body, I would love to give what is useful from it to others so that they may prolong their own lives. I am not an ancient Egyptian that believes that I need my body once my "natural life" has come to an end, so I see no reason not to donate. As to live organ transplants (Meaning of Life haha), I would only do it for someone very close. As to Nona's points, I completely agree with everything you said. It is a little sad that most people don't have such a strong philosophical argument to back them up on such an issue.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#290631Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:290631nona the brit29http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#290631http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-290631.xmlYou could say that about any expensive medical procedure though, not just organ donation. Should we stop giving dialysis and feed people instead of saving those individual lives? Let premature babies die and give homeless people coats instead? Stop spending years rehabilitating people with broken spines and give the money to charity instead? Let those who are old with alzeimers and are unable to care for themselves just die of neglect rather than spend the money keeping one person alive and paying for all the care they will need for years, so that the money can go to a lot of young people instead? Every medical procedure benefits one person. Many of them are very expensive. To be consistant in your argument then you shouldn't just be...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#290538Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:290538monfrancom30http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#290538http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-290538.xmlIndeed Raiden005, "organ donation" does define your "humanity". IT means that you would rather that your government invest 50 000$ in butchering dead bodies for the rich rather than... feeding the poor! Is THAT not what your Jesus Christ wish for all of humanity to do? Serve the poor? How many poor people could $50 000 feed? I just read a request for donations from the Ottawa Mission House. For $2.30 they will serve a nutritious meal to a needy person... mmm... street person with no money, home, heat, water, toilet, etc., or others who have a place but not enough for basic needs. So, your humanity is to extend the life of one person, five people, rather than... how many? Do the calculations. For $120 a person can be dressed to deal with...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#281933Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:281933Anonymous31http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#281933http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-281933.xmlTransplant organs are taken from "dead" people. Brain death is death. Brain death and death are synonomous. Machines provide ARTIFICIAL support, not LIFE support. Harvesting is no longer the term used for organ donors. It is referred to as the "recovery" of organs. You must completely understand this before donation can even be introduced to a family.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#256202Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:256202Raiden00532http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#256202http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-256202.xmlWhat's to lose once you are dead?? Why should 5+ lives suffer when there is only need for 1? Organ donation is more than just a preferance based on ethics it is the very basis that can define your humanity! I am a christian and I personally am for organ donation and transplantation; even though many christians are not. The way I look at it jesus christ "gave" his "life" on the cross so that we might "live", SO why can't we be like christ and "give some of our remaining "life so that others that are suffering might stand a chance to "live" (PS this is all simply allegorical and should not be taken ltterally). If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem!! It might as well rank uo their with murder! Thx guys!!, ...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#255889Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:255889monfrancom33http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/4/bgndh/Post.htm#255889http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-255889.xmlAlarcon wrote: If you're against it tell me why. I cannot say that I am against it... for others, but I will never give permission to touch my body in any way once I am determined dead. This includes not giving any of my body parts. I understand that the universal " you " is free. I am free, and so are you. One of the questions is where does my freedom end, and where does yours start? A tough (tuff!) question. Where organ donation is concerned, I am free to insist the limits of how my body, and its parts can be dealt with once I die. I do not presume to be morally correct in this decision that I have taken, but it is the assertion of my will. Nature was created within the limits of certain physical laws. I understand...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#214282Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:214282Anonymous34http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#214282http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-214282.xmlI will tell you why. I witnessed a full organ harvest surgery tonight. I am an Anesthesiologist on call, and my team was responsible for maintaining the brain dead patient's blood pressure, temperature and so on... The 17 year old beautiful young boy who had fallen and hit his head lay there on the OR table at once pristine and peaceful, then the next 30-60 minutes looked like a dead carcass on the African Serengetti, a victim of mindless tigers looking for spare parts. I have seen many procedures in my life but nothing, NOTHING is as DISGUSTING as the organ harvesting procedure. A vertical incision is made from crotch to throat, the Rib Cage is spread wide open and as quickly as possible, the organs tied off and removed, the BEATING...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#167880Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:167880Anonymous35http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#167880http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-167880.xmlAs a nurse who has worked in the ICU of a large university hospital, I can tell you that organ donation is a business. There is a man who goes around handing out little gifts (I call it "swag"), trite stuff like pens and products with the name of the procurement company and asks if we know any patients who might be "candidates." Because of H(i)PPA, I don't think I can tell my horror story here, but my comment is "don't make a living will in haste/it was designed by the euthanasia movement" and "pray for your loved one in ICU. Pray that your relative won't lose a popularity contest and become a candidate." Bottom line, I am against donations from "brain dead" patients. ,http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#165006Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:165006Anonymous36http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#165006http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-165006.xmli personally would not donate because i dont like peoplehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#159810Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:159810Anonymous37http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#159810http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-159810.xmlThe people whose remains are exhibitied in Body Worlds were quite aware of how their bodies would be used. For one thing they are a teaching tool, but they also all signed waivers explicitly stating the purpose of the donation. Some even specified how they would like to be posed. You have apparently never been to the exhibit, which was one of the most wonderful things I have ever seen. Do some research before you speak out.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#158653Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:158653Mike in Japan38http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#158653http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-158653.xmlAnonymous wrote: Errr guest, he was joking, and he already said he was joking. You really should read the whole thread before replying.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#158638Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:158638Anonymous39http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#158638http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-158638.xmlit isn't going to hurt you to donate unless you are a living donor, otherwise your organs are taken after you are dead. Secondly you should do it because one person can save the lives of seven people by donating their organs after they have passed away. Why should you keep your organs when your dead? And in response to your last line "life without organs and a body just wouldn't be worth living!" your organs are taken after you are dead and even if you are a living donor they are not going to take out any organs that you have to have to live. They can take a piece of your liver becuase it will regenerate and they can take a kidney because you have two and only need one to live.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#156332Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:156332Anonymous40http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#156332http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-156332.xmlErrr guest, he was joking, and he already said he was joking. You really should read the whole thread before replying.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#153713Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:57:11 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:153713Anonymous41http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#153713http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-153713.xmlI think that your reasons for not wanting to donate are obscure . You can get over the pain. The issue it's else is not about money...it about being able to give to someone else. My mother received a heart transplant 2 years ago and now she is waiting for a kidney transplant. My uncle and 18 year old cousin have to have heart transplants and kidney transplants as well. I am donating my kidney to one of them. How dare you say that it is not natural. Adam gave up his rib to create Eve...what is the difference between that and transplanting?http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#137853Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:57:12 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:137853Anonymous42http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/3/bgndh/Post.htm#137853http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-137853.xmlI think that if any one wants to be a real life hero than donating an organ is the way to do it. its brave and selfless.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#130132Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:57:12 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:130132Anonymous43http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#130132http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-130132.xmlThanks for the extra information Philip. I didn't mean to 'rag' (poo-poo?) your example. Too long in the cut and thrust of the news industry over the years I guess. Of course the majority of donated organs are probably used quite ethically. It's the ones that are not that troubles me - greatly. Again thanks for going to the trouble to find the publication details. The story is a nice one, and a good example of organ donation being used the way it is supposed to be. I am glad you found the article I posted interesting too. I have no doubt that sooner or later ethical behaviour will prevail.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#129999Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:57:12 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:129999Philip44http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#129999http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-129999.xmlAnonymous wrote: Body: That would be a charming little story if it were true Philip. Unfortunately, as it stands it is totally unverifyable, and may well be completely untrue. The young man's name was Kris Kime. The story about his 21st birthday party was reported in the June 26, 2001 issue of the Seattle Post-Intellingencer. I'm not sure how your "rag" on my example was important for validation of your very informative article.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#129762Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:57:12 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:129762Anonymous45http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#129762http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-129762.xmlBody: That would be a charming little story if it were true Philip. Unfortunately, as it stands it is totally unverifyable, and may well be completely untrue. There are countless documented cases of organ theft FROM people who are STILL ALIVE! Consider the incredibly high prices organs fetch on the black market, and one can easily understand the temptation for doctors to unecessarily 'turn off' life support from certain patients in order to harvest their organs for use in other patients, or more chillingly - for sale on the black market. Until there is considerably more scrutiny of the methods of the medical profession, which has demonstrated itself to be highly secretive - and indeed even conspiratorial in many...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#129710Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:12 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:129710Philip46http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#129710http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-129710.xmlMy concern is not whether or not I want to have my organs harvested; I'm really wondering if anything I have will be worth anything by the time I go. True story here where I live. A few years ago a young man (early 20's) was brutally and senselessly murdered (called manslaughter eventually) during a "celebration" of Mardi Gras, I believe it was, where drinking and revel-rousing got out of hand and someone bashed him over the head with a skateboard. A few months later, the family hosted a party in honor of his birthday. The honored guests at the party were the six or seven people who had received life-saving organs from the deceased. If that isn't cause for emptying the Kleenex box, I don't know what is!http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#129652Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:57:12 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:129652Anonymous47http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#129652http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-129652.xmlHello, my name is Kylee. I am a senior from Mt. Dora Bible in Florida. I am doing a research paper on donating body organs. If you could just give me your thoughts and feelings on this subject that would be great, and I would not use any names.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#127133Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:57:12 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:127133The_Star48http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#127133http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-127133.xmlIn my opinion, giving our organ and body donation is really good. We won't be dead because we donate our organ. Although maybe our health will be decreased a bit. If I have died and someone needs my organ or body, I think I don't mind donating it. Because I believe my body won't have anything to do with my life after death. The ones that usually reject donation is our family. They imagine that the dead person will suffer if he/she donates his/her organ or body. Maybe the reason why most people are against donation is about belief.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#120335Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:12 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:120335nona the brit49http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyAgainstOrganBodyDonation/2/bgndh/Post.htm#120335http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-120335.xmlPersonally I would want to donate but I think I would have a hard time donating my loved ones bits and pieces... I think that transplants are a fantastic thing and can totally transform the life of the recipient. I would be happy for my organs to go to someone else. However...making that decision for someone else must be hard. Transplant organs are not taken from 'dead' dead people. If the person's systems have completely shut down then the organs are no good. So people who are 'brain-dead' have their bodies kept on a life support system until the operation to remove the organs (called 'harvesting', such an unpleasant term), so you can see your loved one with a heart beat, breathing on a ventilator, and have to agree to have their...