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Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

David — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:24 GMT

Now they talk about secterian civil war in Iraq. With all this bigotry and hate only a colossal change of heart and some wisdom is going to bring peace in this area where rational thinking, on all sides ,has disappeared.The thinking seems to be an eye for an eye and no one wants to budge. Fear and hate prevail. I pray sense wins the day. Beirut is being bombed and razed to the ground. One million homeless.Israel has no excuse for these atrocities. The bestiality is beyond belief. May God forgive all concerned. All will lose, nothing will be gained. Everyone will suffer. Reminiscent of what happened in World War 2 and Kosovo.

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

MrPedantic — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:24 GMT

Anonymous wrote: You didn't condemn strongly as I expected you would Strong words seldom have the desired effect. MrP

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Aleen — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:24 GMT

Janissary wrote: Today Israeli prime minister have made a statement to Times. One of the questions was "the reason of killing civilians". And i was just speechless with the answer. He said "They dont have uniforms,where do we know who is innocent and who is not?" I am still speechless. I have not a uniform either. Maybe Israel should come and kill me,too. im also speechless Janissary...really shoked!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Janissary — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:46:24 GMT

Today Israeli prime minister have made a statement to Times. One of the questions was "the reason of killing civilians". And i was just speechless with the answer. He said "They dont have uniforms,where do we know who is innocent and who is not?" I am still speechless. I have not a uniform either. Maybe Israel should come and kill me,too.

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Mike in Japan — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:46:24 GMT

David wrote: ... I personally am greatly saddened to see what is going on in the Middle East and would like an immediate ceasefire. Me too. The good peoples of the Earth (and that is the overwhelming majority of people of ALL our wonderful cultures and religions) should DEMAND an immediate ceasefire ! This sickening slaughter is completely and utterly inhumane . Why is it that our 'leaders' turn a blind eye in some situations but not in others?

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:46:24 GMT

David wrote: Who are you to demand anything from Mr Pedantic or anyone for that matter?. Some of us have made it abundntly clear that we find violence and war abhorrent. Hate of anyone never solved anything. Some people make it clear that they want Israel to disappear off the face of the earth. No one in the UN will tolerate this. If there is rational discussion and dialogue a solution may be found and innocent people will not suffer. So let us hope and pray both sides want peace and the bloodshed stops.This forum fortunately seeks rational discussion not bias. I personally am greatly saddened to see what is going on in the Middle East and would like an immediate ceasefire. If I demanded something from MrP, it's mean I take him as...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Janissary — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:46:24 GMT

David wrote: Some people make it clear that they want Israel to disappear off the face of the earth. No one in the UN will tolerate this. You are completely right David. No one in UN doesnt tolerate such a thing- though they tolerate the massacre of 800 Lebanese people in a week or scores of Palestinian people who have been killed by Israel so far and so on. I can understand why for Israel deaths of thousands of Lebanese or Palestinian people dont worth two Isreali soldiers .(Dont ask me why?It is not much for such a country who can make such evil actions) But what I cannot understand is how the world just watches what Israeli is doing. They dont just kill people. They also damage our world. " BEIRUT (AFP) - The Mediterranean...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

David — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:46:24 GMT

Who are you to demand anything from Mr Pedantic or anyone for that matter?. Some of us have made it abundntly clear that we find violence and war abhorrent. Hate of anyone never solved anything. Some people make it clear that they want Israel to disappear off the face of the earth. No one in the UN will tolerate this. If there is rational discussion and dialogue a solution may be found and innocent people will not suffer. So let us hope and pray both sides want peace and the bloodshed stops.This forum fortunately seeks rational discussion not bias. I personally am greatly saddened to see what is going on in the Middle East and would like an immediate ceasefire.

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:46:24 GMT

MrPedantic wrote: Anonymous wrote: I want a straight answer from you, MrPedantic DO YOU CONDEMN THIS TERRORIST ACT OF ISRAEL OR NOT????????? Hello Anon I doubt very much whether Olmert (or Nasrallah, for that matter) are particularly interested in my opinions; but no, I don't think the Israeli government should have acted as they have acted. MrP You didn't condemn strongly as I expected you would

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

MrPedantic — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:46:24 GMT

Hello Jingtian ...May I take back what I said. I might have several more messages to post here... Of course. You don't need to ask. This is your site. ...I'm glad that you don't " demonise" those people you mentioned above. But judging from what you have said above, you do have discriminations against them. What's so particular about the above-mentioned people?... They are all likely to be the object of irrational prejudice. For instance, Iran and Iraq were included in President Bush's so-called "axis of evil " (there's that word again). Red-haired people were associated with the devil in the Middle Ages (cf. the word "demonic"). And so on. Therefore it's natural to include Iraqis, Iranians, redheads, etc. in a list...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

MrPedantic — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:46:24 GMT

Anonymous wrote: I want a straight answer from you, MrPedantic DO YOU CONDEMN THIS TERRORIST ACT OF ISRAEL OR NOT????????? Hello Anon I doubt very much whether Olmert (or Nasrallah, for that matter) are particularly interested in my opinions; but no, I don't think the Israeli government should have acted as they have acted. MrP

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:24 GMT

David wrote: I find the action of both sides abhorrent. Neither side is capable yet of observing a ceasefire, for one reason or another. The killing should be stopped immediately and it certainly must be a lasting peace.My question is does either side want it and how is the UN to enforce it ? I hope and pray a solution is found as too many are suffering especially the young and innocent.Regretably Blair believes in what he says he is not mouthing Bush's words. Now what peace and what ceasefire would make any sense to them, everything have been distructed, nothing left. Lebanon's people say, we are homeless, without work, nothing left, so now we have only one purpose in our life that we have to take an account of our every death at...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Jingtian — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:24 GMT

MrPedantic wrote: Jingtian wrote: It is obvious that you are partial to the Israelis, just because Israel, US and Britain are allies? Britain is said to behave like a *** to the US, as it agrees everything with the US. It never dare not say no to the US. (I didn't say it, but I've heard this analogy several times before.) Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. Wickedness does not go altogether unrequited. I won't reply to this thread any more. Hello Jingtian I don't have any particular reason to be "partial to the Israelis". If someone were to call all Syrians, Iraqis, Iranians, Quakers, black people, Muslims, redheads, or one-legged Norwegians over 40 with chronic halitosis "evil" or "demonic", I...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

David — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:46:24 GMT

I find the action of both sides abhorrent. Neither side is capable yet of observing a ceasefire, for one reason or another. The killing should be stopped immediately and it certainly must be a lasting peace.My question is does either side want it and how is the UN to enforce it ? I hope and pray a solution is found as too many are suffering especially the young and innocent.Regretably Blair believes in what he says he is not mouthing Bush's words.

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:46:24 GMT

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

MrPedantic — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:46:24 GMT

Jingtian wrote: It is obvious that you are partial to the Israelis, just because Israel, US and Britain are allies? Britain is said to behave like a *** to the US, as it agrees everything with the US. It never dare not say no to the US. (I didn't say it, but I've heard this analogy several times before.) Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. Wickedness does not go altogether unrequited. I won't reply to this thread any more. Hello Jingtian I don't have any particular reason to be "partial to the Israelis". If someone were to call all Syrians, Iraqis, Iranians, Quakers, black people, Muslims, redheads, or one-legged Norwegians over 40 with chronic halitosis "evil" or "demonic", I would have similar reservations. ...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Jingtian — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:24 GMT

MrPedantic wrote: Jingtian wrote: If one day my motherland should use forces against any country or deliberately kill civilians or bomb UN observers but no one in my country objects it or tries to stop this, it would be OK for you to come to such a conclusion. Well, I would have to disagree. It seems to me that a state of mind in which one is capable of demonising a whole nation or a whole people or a whole culture is part of the problem on all sides of the conflict. It certainly isn't part of the solution. (But that's only my opinion, and of no importance whatsoever.) Best wishes MrP It is obvious that you are partial to the Israelis, just because Israel, US and Britain are allies? Britain...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

MrPedantic — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:24 GMT

Jingtian wrote: If one day my motherland should use forces against any country or deliberately kill civilians or bomb UN observers but no one in my country objects it or tries to stop this, it would be OK for you to come to such a conclusion. Well, I would have to disagree. It seems to me that a state of mind in which one is capable of demonising a whole nation or a whole people or a whole culture is part of the problem on all sides of the conflict. It certainly isn't part of the solution. (But that's only my opinion, and of no importance whatsoever.) Best wishes MrP

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Jingtian — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:24 GMT

MrPedantic wrote: Jingtian wrote: I was referring to the Israel and the Israelis, not all Muslims. But think of it this way, Jingtian. Suppose I were to say, "all the people who live in Jingtian's street are evil and demonic". Now would that not be a foolish statement, and very unlikely to be true? Then how much more unlikely is it, that all the occupants of a whole country are "evil and demonic"? Very much more unlikely, I would have thought! Best wishes MrP Maybe I've made a overgeneralized judgment. If one day my motherland should use forces against any country or deliberately kill civilians or bomb UN observers but no one in my country objects it or tries to stop this, it would be...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

MrPedantic — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:46:24 GMT

Anonymous wrote: If I say, your whole country is become mess and you cannot go anywhere, then how would you explain evilness. you neither blame on Israel nor on Islam. I didn't get you brother, israel should be consider terrorist in this case and their civilians as well because they are with them.. Have you seen the extreme distruction of Lebanon on TV?. Remember it's not about the distruction or evilness of some areas or some places. It's about the distruction of the whole country, the distruction of the whole nation, it's about the extreme pain of muslims and christians in a very large amount. Hello Anon I didn't believe Ariel Sharon when he told me that Iran and Syria were "evil". And I don't believe Jingtian, when he...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Aleen — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:46:24 GMT

you are right janissary ...that's too much

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Janissary — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:46:24 GMT

Damn Israel (as a goverment)! I am really really really angry right now and i know i cannot think consciously right now .But after reading the news about 60 killed people (37 of which are just children) by Israelis bombs , it only expands my hatred to Israel. Are these children too militans of Hizbullah? Sure Israel doesnt care Hizbullah or whatsoever. What they are doing is just killing Muslims. They used to do it in 1970s and they are still carrying on their vicious actions.How many people should be killed more to satisfy Israel? And despite the reaction of some countries, Olmert said today that their bombs will continue at least 15 days more. (and damn UN which cannot even condemn Israel-though 4 observers of them have been killed...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:46:24 GMT

And there are not distruction in Israel? what do you think are they shooting?there are 100 rockets every day.on friday the hizbulah hit at hospital,they bomb houses,school,hospital for one porpuse,to kill,kill and again,to kill.

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Aleen — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:24 GMT

Anonymous wrote: Aleen wrote: we don't rape your women,it's a big lie from where did you hear that? I can say the same. actually it's not a lie it's tru it happened in lebanon but years ago What have we lost in Lebanon? why would we invade to there? we even don't care each other,only the Hizbulla don't you jewish say that "haarets yeshrael m neil l forat" which means that the israeli land is from Neil to Forat which include lebanon so how does it come that you say you don't care about lebanon What do you want from him? I wrote it months ago,how could he knowe? and,The mongolian empire was from China till Istanbul,so do you think they care about china? come on

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:46:24 GMT

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:46:24 GMT

MrPedantic wrote: Jingtian wrote: I was referring to the Israel and the Israelis, not all Muslims. But think of it this way, Jingtian. Suppose I were to say, "all the people who live in Jingtian's street are evil and demonic". Now would that not be a foolish statement, and very unlikely to be true? Then how much more unlikely is it, that all the occupants of a whole country are "evil and demonic"? Very much more unlikely, I would have thought! Best wishes MrP MrP, alright I got it, evils are everywhere, but how do you explain this kind of evilness?? ...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:24 GMT

Aleen wrote: we don't rape your women,it's a big lie from where did you hear that? I can say the same. actually it's not a lie it's tru it happened in lebanon but years ago What have we lost in Lebanon? why would we invade to there? we even don't care each other,only the Hizbulla don't you jewish say that "haarets yeshrael m neil l forat" which means that the israeli land is from Neil to Forat which include lebanon so how does it come that you say you don't care about lebanon What do you want from him? I wrote it months ago,how could he knowe? and,The mongolian empire was from China till Istanbul,so do you think they care about china? come on

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

MrPedantic — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:46:24 GMT

Jingtian wrote: I was referring to the Israel and the Israelis, not all Muslims. But think of it this way, Jingtian. Suppose I were to say, "all the people who live in Jingtian's street are evil and demonic". Now would that not be a foolish statement, and very unlikely to be true? Then how much more unlikely is it, that all the occupants of a whole country are "evil and demonic"? Very much more unlikely, I would have thought! Best wishes MrP

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Jingtian — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:46:24 GMT

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Jingtian — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:46:24 GMT

No, I didn't mean that. I've had contacts with some Muslims, who are very friendly and peace-loving.

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Nyla — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:46:24 GMT

MrPedantic wrote: Indeed – I was agreeing with you, Nyla! (Now, where did I put my bowler hat...) MrP I know,but more and more often on these topics we misunderstand each other,so I thought it was better to precise (is it right,or I've invented a new verb?) my position..

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

MrPedantic — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:24 GMT

Indeed – I was agreeing with you, Nyla! (Now, where did I put my bowler hat...) MrP

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Nyla — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:46:24 GMT

MrPedantic wrote: I used to have a theory that if everyone on the Internet tried really hard , someone, somewhere, would at last manage to emit a rational, sensible comment about either Israel or Islam. (It wasn't one of my better theories...) MrP Just to be not misunderstood ..I don't think that every Muslim is a terrorist or an extremist,as I don't think that every american is warmonger,that every italian is a mafia member,or every dutch a cannabis smoker..those are only stupid stereotypes..

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

MrPedantic — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:46:24 GMT

Nyla wrote: Jingtian wrote: Israel is a country of evils and demons. All Israelis are terrorists that would go to hell after death and be tortured forever. It is like to say that all Muslims are terrorists and extremists..come on! I used to have a theory that if everyone on the Internet tried really hard , someone, somewhere, would at last manage to emit a rational, sensible comment about either Israel or Islam. (It wasn't one of my better theories...) MrP

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Aleen — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:46:24 GMT

we don't rape your women,it's a big lie from where did you hear that? I can say the same. actually it's not a lie it's tru it happened in lebanon but years ago What have we lost in Lebanon? why would we invade to there? we even don't care each other,only the Hizbulla don't you jewish say that "haarets yeshrael m neil l forat" which means that the israeli land is from Neil to Forat which include lebanon so how does it come that you say you don't care about lebanon

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Aleen — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:24 GMT

Idan wrote: Hey,topic about Israel, nice Dear anon, I guess you are Israeli like me,as you can see(Haifa).... or maybe you've just post and went.... I can not agree with everything you said and I think you little bit exaggerated "The Arabs want they lost.we want what we lost"...hmm,you have grammar mistake and that's wrong sentence, probably your are rightist fanatic,who knows..anyway you should be thankful that we have an allias like America ,what's a matter what was in the past, now we are in the present and we and the Palestinians want to find the path for better future,let the politican break the heads,both of us don't want what we've lost,we just want to live in peace. what do you care about the other Arabs...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Nyla — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:46:24 GMT

Jingtian wrote: Israel is a country of evils and demons. All Israelis are terrorists that would go to hell after death and be tortured forever. It is like to say that all Muslims are terrorists and extremists..come on!

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Jingtian — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:46:24 GMT

Israel is a country of evils and demons. All Israelis are terrorists that would go to hell after death and be tortured forever.

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:46:24 GMT

I'm afraid that Israel's recent activities may be part of a wider plan, involving their close allies, to set the entire Middle East ablaze.

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Hoor AL-Ain — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:46:24 GMT

In view word the Israel the worst things in the world . And there are no country called Israel this is Phalistaian country. Its holy place before the Israelaian come to colonizebut now of course no . Israel is obtrusive .

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:46:24 GMT

that's simple anon because they damage their homes their shops and everything sure they will live in poverty (u shouldn't be asking about that)

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:25 GMT

Anonymous wrote the following post at 21-07-2006 4:57 PM: We have the right to return to our home land,and don't forget that your Jesus was a jewish man,so that's means there were jews even in jesus era,jews were in Haifa even in 3th B.C.E.,before they arabs,who came in 637.in tiberia was the sanhadrin,in sefad,Bnei brak,we stole nothing " src="/emoticons/emotion-4.gif"> and how do you know that we are bad,if you weren't here? " src="/emoticons/emotion-4.gif"> it'ssimple anon because i live there i am a paletinian AND U TREAT EVERYBODY BAD EVEN IF THEY WERRE EUROPEANS OR PALESTINIANS (that's what i see at least)

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MrPedantic — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:25 GMT

<...it's a holly land...> That should be "a holy land", Anon. MrP

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Janissary — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:25 GMT

On the contrary, I think it is Israel who wants all. They dont want to share it because it is their holy land. They were killing Palestinian civils in 1960`s and they are still continuing to their ruthless actions. I dont know where it will end. Maybe when all the palestinians are dead,who knows. Regards

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:46:25 GMT

That land never was Muslim,the Romans conquered that area and after several rebellions they decided to "Kick" the jews off and change the name to "Palestine",but the land never was completly empty,remains you that the muslims were here in 634-638,in that area you are talking about there were jewish life for many years,kingdom of Israel of David,shmuel,the wars against ashur and babilon which destroyed the jueda kingdom and the Israeli kingdom.even after the expulsion jews continued to pray as their face opun to Jerusalem.every city that Hizbulah bomb now wasn't exist even.In Haifa there was jews since the 3th century B.C.E.we don't want the whole greater Israel,your problem is you wanted it all.you have the full right to return to saudi...

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:46:25 GMT

We have the right to return to our home land,and don't forget that your Jesus was a jewish man,so that's means there were jews even in jesus era,jews were in Haifa even in 3th B.C.E.,before they arabs,who came in 637.in tiberia was the sanhadrin,in sefad,Bnei brak,we stole nothing and how do you know that we are bad,if you weren't here?

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:46:25 GMT

it's a holly land because jesus has been borned there not because of israelis and ya its a nice place because america helped israelis a lot ...israelis are bad and mean people who claim that it's there country...while they where exploited because they didn't worth such hollyland so i don't think that they have the rihgt to come back again

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Anonymous — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:46:25 GMT

you are talking like someone who think that the Israelis are enjoy to kill civilians,i was born in Van,i know what i am talking about,it's not only Israel's fault.no justifying for killing

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Janissary — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:46:25 GMT

Lets assume you are completely right. Does it justifies the acts of Israel? What has to do it with Israel and its crimes? What is your intention? To distort the topic? Yes,actually you have already accomplished it. But the fact remains. Israel still kills scores of people. However the world is just watching and mourning(!). We need justice back to the world. Regards

Re: what do you think about israel and the israelis?

Hulyaa — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:46:25 GMT

Turks don't kill innocent people. Last week ,Pkk killed 14 turkish soldiers. Every week we have martyries.Turks are showing patience to all these terrorist attacks not to kill innocent people.If Turks don't show patience, maybe innocent people die. Yes sometimes it is hard to search terrorists among the innocents. But we have to do .