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Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

milky — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:46:11 GMT

MrPedantic wrote: Well, in any case, I seem to have gone into grammar forum mode in Controversial. Bad habit...bad form... You're slipping.

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

MrPedantic — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:46:11 GMT

Well, in any case, I seem to have gone into grammar forum mode in Controversial. Bad habit...bad form...

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

milky — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:46:11 GMT

MrPedantic wrote: Milky wrote: "You" was used in the impersonal form. You = America. In the impersonal form, "you" = "one". 1. "You can't make an omelette without cracking eggs" = "one can't make an omelette..." The equivalent "impersonal" sentence would therefore be: 2. "Surely the reason is to help clear up the mess one helped make." If "you" = "America", it simply means "you who live in America". Nothing impersonal about that. MrP Sorry bout that, I meant the plural form. Tiredness, family troubles, etc.

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

MrPedantic — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:46:11 GMT

Milky wrote: "You" was used in the impersonal form. You = America. In the impersonal form, "you" = "one". 1. "You can't make an omelette without cracking eggs" = "one can't make an omelette..." The equivalent "impersonal" sentence would therefore be: 2. "Surely the reason is to help clear up the mess one helped make." If "you" = "America", it simply means "you who live in America". Nothing impersonal about that. MrP

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Janissary — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:46:11 GMT

Milky wrote: Cost of America's War in Iraq $244,838,794,045 ............ how a big sum compared with the 23.000.000 $ help to Kenya out of 225.000.000 that was promised to have given as help. ten thousands times bigger. what an equality?what a world we are living in? i hate this world and all of its inequalities.thats all regards

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

milky — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:46:11 GMT

Lazarus wrote: Milky wrote: <<If a government deceives its own people as a strategy to enter a war, the growing costs and rising death tolls naturally add fuel to the fire, yes. But don't miss the big picture. Personally, I would feel content with these things if I felt there was legitimate purpose in our currently being in Iraq. Regards-- Lazarus >> Surely the reason is to help clean up the mess you helped make. The invasion caused a destabilisation which is still in place. The idea is to stay there and responsibly help put things in balance, isn't it? As far as the mess in Iraq, I didn't take any part in it. Language is refreshingly revealing when we least intend it. Take care, milky. Lazarus ...

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Lazarus — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:46:11 GMT

Milky wrote: <<If a government deceives its own people as a strategy to enter a war, the growing costs and rising death tolls naturally add fuel to the fire, yes. But don't miss the big picture. Personally, I would feel content with these things if I felt there was legitimate purpose in our currently being in Iraq. Regards-- Lazarus >> Surely the reason is to help clean up the mess you helped make. The invasion caused a destabilisation which is still in place. The idea is to stay there and responsibly help put things in balance, isn't it? As far as the mess in Iraq, I didn't take any part in it. Language is refreshingly revealing when we least intend it. Take care, milky. Lazarus

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

milky — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:46:11 GMT

<<If a government deceives its own people as a strategy to enter a war, the growing costs and rising death tolls naturally add fuel to the fire, yes. But don't miss the big picture. Personally, I would feel content with these things if I felt there was legitimate purpose in our currently being in Iraq. Regards-- Lazarus >> Surely the reason is to help clean up the mess you helped make. The invasion caused a destabilisation which is still in place. The idea is to stay there and responsibly help put things in balance, isn't it?

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Lazarus — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:46:11 GMT

Milky wrote: Lazarus wrote: Milky wrote: Lazarus wrote: Milky wrote: Is that because you are losing that war? You skipped Vietnam, a little too late mind you, when you realised you were losing that one. milky-- What you've written here is a schoolyard bait. If you think Americans

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

milky — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:46:11 GMT

Lazarus wrote: Milky wrote: Lazarus wrote: Milky wrote: Is that because you are losing that war? You skipped Vietnam, a little too late mind you, when you realised you were losing that one. milky-- What you've written here is a schoolyard bait. If you think Americans want out of Iraq because they are "losing it" (as if we were ever winning anything), your perspective isn't native, that's for sure. As far as Vietnam, let sleeping dogs lie. That dog has been sleeping a long time.

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Lazarus — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:46:11 GMT

Milky wrote: Lazarus wrote: Milky wrote: Is that because you are losing that war? You skipped Vietnam, a little too late mind you, when you realised you were losing that one. milky-- What you've written here is a schoolyard bait. If you think Americans want out of Iraq because they are "losing it" (as if we were ever winning anything), your perspective isn't native, that's for sure. As far as Vietnam, let sleeping dogs lie. That dog has been sleeping a long time. Lazarus So, tell us why you think that 54% of Americans want out. Because many Americans feel they were bambo

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

milky — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:46:11 GMT

Lazarus wrote: Milky wrote: Is that because you are losing that war? You skipped Vietnam, a little too late mind you, when you realised you were losing that one. milky-- What you've written here is a schoolyard bait. If you think Americans want out of Iraq because they are "losing it" (as if we were ever winning anything), your perspective isn't native, that's for sure. As far as Vietnam, let sleeping dogs lie. That dog has been sleeping a long time. Lazarus There's no bait there, Lazarus. It's a fair question and the present situation has parallels with the one around the pull out from Vietnam. So, tell us why you think that 54% of Americans want out.

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Lazarus — Sun, 24 May 2009 23:46:11 GMT

Milky wrote: Is that because you are losing that war? You skipped Vietnam, a little too late mind you, when you realised you were losing that one. milky-- What you've written here is a schoolyard bait. If you think Americans want out of Iraq because they are "losing it" (as if we were ever winning anything), your perspective isn't native, that's for sure. As far as Vietnam, let sleeping dogs lie. That dog has been sleeping a long time. Lazarus

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

milky — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:46:11 GMT

YoungCalifornian wrote: In response to this, let me just say that I totally agree with Lazarus. Trust us Janissary, Americans want out of Iraq as fast as reasonably possible. Is that because you are losing that war? You skipped Vietnam, a little too late mind you, when you realised you were losing that one. <Americans want out of Iraq as fast as reasonably possible> .More than half the Americans that were polled, actually. Still less than half a lot want to stay in. The figures: In the latest USA TODAY poll, a record 60% of those surveyed, including one in four Republicans, said the war wasn't "worth it." One in five Republicans said the invasion of Iraq was "a mistake." Among independents, 60% called...

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

milky — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:46:11 GMT

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Lazarus — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:46:11 GMT

Janissary wrote: thnx for your explanation and information yc. the same thing is valid for Turkey, as well. The more industrialized,improved states are the more liberal states. The less industrialized,rural are more conservative. The problem for us, Janissary, is that the less developed, conservative states outnumber the progressive ones substantially. You can see that pretty clearly on that map. Lazarus

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Janissary — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:46:11 GMT

thnx for your explanation and information yc. the same thing is valid for Turkey, as well. The more industrialized,improved states are the more liberal states. The less industrialized,rural are more conservative.

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

YoungCalifornian — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:46:11 GMT

Here's a breakdown of which states voted for which candidate in the 2004 presidential election. Blue states are those won by John Kerry, and red states are those won by George Bush. The numbers you see are the total electoral votes each state has, which is supposed to be a reflection of its population. Keep in mind that if 51% of a state voted for George Bush, while 49% voted for John Kerry, Bush would get all the electoral votes from that state. The trend you may notice is that states with large urban populations tended to vote for Kerry, while more rural states voted for Bush.

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Janissary — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:46:11 GMT

actually i dont know how much accurate the result of poll i have sent. but i forgot to say sth. also it is said about the poll that the poll is nationwide. but i dont know how they have done that poll on which individuals. as far as i know from what my teacher has told me, some parts of Usa are predominantly supporter of Bush but some are not.(i guess the south parts was the biggest supporters of Bush.conservatives maybe. i cant remember exactly.)already, i havent acuused any person but government.

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Lazarus — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:46:11 GMT

Janissary wrote: YoungCalifornian wrote: If Americans were to entirely pull out of Iraq tomorrow, the country would collapse onto itself. i am painfully aware of that fact yc. but at that case another matter comes to my mind. if everything is as you said and America is merely keeping their troops in iraq to make iraqis control over their country, why they dont leave the country to United Nations as it has happened in such cases so far?(dont say to me in iraq there are soldiers from many countries as you know,they are nonfunctional besides thousands of american solders)if the problem was really Saddam only, well done. he is over.anyway , actually i have already the answer. Hi Janissary-- It's my...

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Janissary — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:46:11 GMT

YoungCalifornian wrote: If Americans were to entirely pull out of Iraq tomorrow, the country would collapse onto itself. i am painfully aware of that fact yc. but at that case another matter comes to my mind. if everything is as you said and America is merely keeping their troops in iraq to make iraqis control over their country, why they dont leave the country to United Nations as it has happened in such cases so far?(dont say to me in iraq there are soldiers from many countries as you know,they are nonfunctional besides thousands of american solders)if the problem was really Saddam only, well done. he is over.anyway , actually i have already the answer.

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

YoungCalifornian — Sun, 24 May 2009 23:46:11 GMT

Well, I didn't mean that Americans want simply to pull out of Iraq and give up on the country (that's why I used the word "reasonably"). The idea is indeed to get out as fast as possible... after making sure that Iraqi authorities have control over the country. I think that most Americans agree our country at least owes them that much. Look at the current situation. If Americans were to entirely pull out of Iraq tomorrow, the country would collapse onto itself.

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Janissary — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:46:11 GMT

actually i am not sure about your points. i agree many American people want get out of iraq i know but i dont beleive the government thinks so. lets look what i have found. "Do you think the U.S. should keep military troops in Iraq until the situation has stabilized, or do you think the U.S. should bring its troops home as soon as possible?" CNN/ USA Today /Gallup Poll . Feb. 9-12, 2006. . Keep Troops Bring Home Unsure % % %

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

YoungCalifornian — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:46:11 GMT

firstly i dont agree al quadee or whatsoever is responsible for this but i think America which is trying to incite different minds into a chaos in order to remain longer in iraq by pretexting the chaos. thats what i think.if the chaos is over they ll be no pretext to remain in iraq for Usa. In response to this, let me just say that I totally agree with Lazarus. Trust us Janissary, Americans want out of Iraq as fast as reasonably possible. even if there ll be a chance to do so , there ll be nothing but blood in order to make this. everyone wants what they deserve according to selves. if we look at the history of iraq, according to census at the time Kanuni Sultan Suleyman in Ottoman Empire there were 6558 Turks and 54...

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Lazarus — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:46:11 GMT

Janissary wrote: firstly i dont agree al quadee or whatsoever is responsible for this but i think America which is trying to incite different minds into a chaos in order to remain longer in iraq by pretexting the chaos. thats what i think.if the chaos is over they ll be no pretext to remain in iraq for Usa. Janissary-- I think that if you had an idea about how the issue of Iraq is being received by the American people these days, you would have to take back that statement. This latest development only adds pressure for us to get out of Iraq, not the other way around. I don't have a reaction to anything else you've said, but I do think this statement conveys a fundamental misunderstanding of public opinion within...

Re: The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

Janissary — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:46:11 GMT

firstly i dont agree al quadee or whatsoever is responsible for this but i think America which is trying to incite different minds into a chaos in order to remain longer in iraq by pretexting the chaos. thats what i think.if the chaos is over they ll be no pretext to remain in iraq for Usa. as for the second matter, iraq should really remain one part as they have been so far.but why?wont be peace if iraq divide into sperate groups in terms of nations or sects?as far as i am concerned it is impossible. even if there ll be a chance to do so , there ll be nothing but blood in order to make this. everyone wants what they deserve according to selves. if we look at the history of iraq, according to census at the time Kanuni Sultan...

The bombing of the al-Askariya mosque.

YoungCalifornian — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:46:11 GMT

It seems obvious that the bombing of this sacred site was an effort to antagonize Shi'ite Muslims in Iraq, but many experts think that the reasons for the bombing go deeper than simple hatred between Sunnis and Shi'ites. Most think that the attack was a deliberate effort to engulf Iraq in civil war. Thus, some think that al-Qaeda may have been ultimately responsible. I have two question for those who've followed this story. First, who do you think was responsible for the bombing? And second, is it really important that Iraq remain one country?