http://www.englishforums.com/English/ControversialTopics/Forum28.htm<font color=red>This entire section is moderated</font><br> Dedicated to continual re-education and our search for a broader understanding of life. Please register if you wish to post here.enXMOD (Build: 3616.28671)http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#253957Tue, 26 May 2009 09:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:253957Elena0http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#253957http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-253957.xmlHi Alasiri, thanks for the kind words, but I know very few about the religions I am interested in, Islam, Shikhism and Jainism. It's surpriisng you say I know things that not every Muslim knows just the religious because what I have read is available in the quran, books, articles online and offline and the few muslims I have met personally know all of this. Back to the topic, you say: and in this case Hadith doesn't contradict the Quran because the Quran doesn't say (don't kill them ). therefore, it is not contradict " src="/emoticons/emotion-5.gif"> it is the other way around, it is not the quran that has to match the hadiths, but the hadiths that have to not contradict the quran as far as I know, thus, the statements "There...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#253629Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:253629Alasiri1http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#253629http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-253629.xmlhi Elena, i am so surprised from you knowledge of Islam . I think you are a smart person and hard worker so keep up the good work and beleive me i respect your opinion and your knowledge. you said that Quran gives details too, but not as Hadith because Hadith explains Quran always in the matters that Quran didn't explain it totally. and in this case Hadith doesn't contradict the Quran because the Quran doesn't say (don't kill them ). therefore, it is not contradict and about your last point about the other school of thought. well, the major school which called ( Sunna ) beleive in this punishment and agree with it totally and the Muslims in this school are much more than all the Muslims in all the other school, so it is...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#253218Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:253218MrPedantic2http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#253218http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-253218.xmlYes, I see; so the hadiths would be a little like the writings of Jerome, Augustine, Clement, etc., or perhaps of Aquinas. Thank you, Elena! MrP (This is an area in which my ignorance is fathomless. So my apologies to any Muslims who are rolling their eyes.)http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#253112Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:253112Elena3http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#253112http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-253112.xmlWelcome, MrPedantic! Again from my readings, I'd say the couple Quran - Hadiths are like Bible - Tradition , and the couple Quran alone muslims (they don't follow hadiths) and the traditional muslims that follow quran + hadiths are like the Protestant Church that follow just the Bible and Catholic Church that follow Bible + Tradition. What do you think? MrPedantic wrote: Thank you very much, Elena! Is it analogous to the relationship between the 4 gospels in the NT and the writings of Paul? MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#253104Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:253104Elena4http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#253104http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-253104.xmlHi Alasiri Alasiri wrote: Quran talks about everything in general, and Hadith give the details. Quran gives details too --I have read them, about inheritance laws, or steps to be divorced, or about orphans, ettiquete, social issues, finalcial issues, war, prisoners of war, ...etc. If someone wants the verses, let me know, but I undesrtand what you mean, that hadits are to be followed too, unless thay contradict the quran, in this case, the quran supersedes the hadith in question, does it? Alasari wrote: ...As a result, as this punishment said by Mohammed, it said by God and that is way Muslim follow it . not every muslim follows it, some schools of thought yes but others disagree, this link gives summary about this, read...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#252958Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:252958MrPedantic5http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#252958http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-252958.xmlThank you very much, Elena! Is it analogous to the relationship between the 4 gospels in the NT and the writings of Paul? MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#252895Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:252895Alasiri6http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/2/cqqhk/Post.htm#252895http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-252895.xmlhi everyoen well Elena, really i don't know if there is a phrase from alquran does say the punishment of the Apostates. However, i guess you know that Islam has two origins; Quran and Hadith . and you know that Quran talks about everything in general, and Hadith give the details. and as the Muslims belief ; Hadith is the saying of the prophet Mohammed ( peace be upon him) and as they belief too; every single word that comes from mohammed is from the god ( Mohammed was telling the things that God wants ) and this fact says in the Quran and because i can't speak English so good i can't translate the phrase from the Quran to prove that fact. As a result, as this punishment said by Mohammed, it said by God and that is way Muslim follow it...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#252721Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:252721Elena7http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#252721http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-252721.xmlHello MrPedantic and Aleen It doesn't involve too much typing :-) Quran speaking about freedom of belief : Chapter 2 verse 256 There is no compulsion in religion . The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower 109 : 6 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. 17 : 84 Say: Each one doth according to his rule of conduct , and thy Lord is Best Aware of him whose way is right. 18 : 29 And say: The truth is from your Lord, so let him who please believe, and let him who please disbelieve; surely We have prepared for the iniquitous a fire, the curtains of which shall...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#252708Tue, 26 May 2009 09:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:252708Aleen8http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#252708http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-252708.xmli'll be interrested too ....cuz actually as a muslim and according to my knowledge they don't have be punished!!!http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#252486Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:252486MrPedantic9http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#252486http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-252486.xmlI would be interested, thank you, Elena (if it doesn't involve too much typing out). MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#252272Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:252272Elena10http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#252272http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-252272.xmlFrom my readings about Islam, there is no punishment for apostasy mentioned in the Quran, the primary source of that religion, but in the second source, the hadiths, that are the sayings of the prophet Muhammad recorded centuries after his death through a chaine of narrations. Thus, I understand for the muslims that follow the quran God will punish the apostasy in the afterlife but he didn't allow humans punishing other humans in this life. If someone is interested I can quote the verses of the quran and the hadiths about this.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#252192Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:252192Alasiri11http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#252192http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-252192.xmlwell, MR. YoungCalifornian, i respect your point of view. but, as you know, everyone has his thoughts and his beleives. in addition, everyone looks to life with different angle. And that is the reason that makes me choose Islam and makes you choose your relegion bye man and thank to everyone who shared his thoughts with mehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#251465Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:251465YoungCalifornian12http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#251465http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-251465.xmlPerhaps I misunderstand you, Alasiri, but the possibility of an apostate criticizing Islam is not even close to an acceptable reason for punishing someone choosing to leave behind that faith, in my opinion. I am of the belief that people all over the world have the right to determine their own beliefs and feelings, and to express those sentiments as they wish. Their views may offend some, but those upset people have the right to then voice their own opinions in contrast.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#250631Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:250631Sadeem13http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#250631http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-250631.xmlthanks AL-Asiri for explaining your idea and you know what !! we are Muslims and still following THE Prophet's attitude still we are reading The Holy Qura'an Thank God and we know how to be good Muslims!!http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#250624Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:250624MrPedantic14http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htm#250624http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-250624.xmlWelcome to English Forums, Alasiri, and thank you for taking the trouble to share your thoughts with us! MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htmMon, 26 Jan 2009 10:29:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:250403Alasiri15http://www.englishforums.com/English/ALateAnswerApostatesIslamicWorld/cqqhk/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-250403.xmlhi everyone, as you see i am new in this forum. In addition, my English is not so good so forgive me on any mistake i do. Dear members and guests, i have been attracted by a Great topic by a great writer which is ( Apostates in the Islamic World ) by my friend YoungCalifornia ( well done YoungCalifornia ). i have noticed many answers for this question and many and many people who couldn't accept the showed answers . Therfore, i have searched for the answer, and i got it The answer simply is the follwing : on way to creata bad stereo types on certain product, is to buy this product and say to your freind and the people that here i bought the product, but it was really really bad. in this way some people will believe him so they...