http://www.englishforums.com/English/ControversialTopics/Forum28.htm<font color=red>This entire section is moderated</font><br> Dedicated to continual re-education and our search for a broader understanding of life. Please register if you wish to post here.enXMOD (Build: 3614.32638)http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/4/dwnrx/Post.htm#342709Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:342709Daemon0http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/4/dwnrx/Post.htm#342709http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-342709.xmlLook at it this way: The man puts in a few minutes work. Strictly speaking he contributes NOTHING to the child other than a tiny bit of DNA and some cytoplasm until after it's born. The woman spends spends 9 months undergoing massive biochemical alterations, has a range of health risk factors come into play - both emotional and physical - and has virtually every aspect of her life altered by the experience. That said - giving the woman the power in regards to the abortion decision may require re-evaluating the concept of child support payments.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#335164Sun, 24 May 2009 00:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:335164Anonymous1http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#335164http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-335164.xmlI agree your ideas Abortion is criminal! The father of a baby is responsible for abortionhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#334400Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:334400Anonymous2http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#334400http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-334400.xmlIt's really an interesting subject to discuss and it's also a good condition to practice vocabulary. I think there is a typo mistake in the anno's reply of only woman's decision. It will be 40 days or 4 weeks. The author would be a man if he had this error. Let's imagine, it's very hard for a pregnant woman to sit before the computer in the gestational age up to 36 weeks at the first born or 37 weeks at the other birth. Pretenal care for parenting is always a problem for women especially for gestational age up to 36 weeks. And a lot of complications will happen for a woman to give birth. Midwife , doctors, emergency cars, blood are always ready to save the mother and the child in some special cases that no one can predict exactly what...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#333279Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:333279David3http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#333279http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-333279.xmlNeither you nor anyone has the right to terminate life. Look at the case of the 22week baby recently. They call it a miracle. It happens more often than one knows.Surely it is two consenting adults who decide to take risks a man is part of this equation. Are his feelings not valid. If a woman is so aware of the sanctity of her body why take risks?Everybody nowadays champions the right of the minority against those who hold power. In this case you hold the power and the child you have conceived has no voice. Yes it is your choice to weild this power responsibly.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#332806Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:332806Anonymous4http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#332806http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-332806.xmlThe desicion is mine. I'm the one carrying a fetus around for 40 weeks. I'm the one who's going to risk my life by supporting the life of another creature for it's gestation. I'm the one who is going to have to fight for child support and/or child care in the future. Or watch my own health deteriorate if I'm not physically sound enough to carry a pregnancy. It is not the father's desicion in ANY way because it is NOT HIS BODY IT IS MINE! If I had agreed to be a bone marrow donor the person recieving my marrow has to be in a germ free room and have all of their marrow killed off. As a person with rights to my body I can wait until the last minute, when the person I was going to give life too wil surely die without me and still say...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#331342Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:331342Titithi5http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#331342http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-331342.xmlI completely agree with your opinion because choosing among available methods plays an important role of contraception.The best method is the one that is medically appropriate and is used everytime by someone happy with the method. So, condom for men is a primary contraception method but it may decrease pleasure ( especially the woman pleasure). There is a funny story in a center health medical like this: A rural woman from a fareaway land was pregnant, although she had an abortion last month. she was very embarrassed to answered the midwife's question : Why don't you use condom?- My husband doesn't like it.... It's very odd...Pleasure is a gift for parenthood though we should respect it, even choosing a method of contraception. Some...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#330380Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:330380julielai6http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#330380http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-330380.xmlShea wrote: Most importantly, sex will be had for pleasure whether all parties agree or not. I certainly hope so.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#330349Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:330349Shea7http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#330349http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-330349.xmlA lot of interesting points of view. Reproductive choice is a difficult conversation to have, probably in any language. There is a lot of interesting vocabulary associated with the subject, if you're learning English. The bottom line, in my opinion, is that women are not baby-making machines for the purposes of the government, corporations, families, or men. Regardless of the circumstances behind a pregnancy, it should be the personal, private choice of the potential mother whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term. Outside interference with this decision—in any way—is to remove the fundamental tenants of individual freedom and personal privacy. Sex is not only for the purpose of procreation. We too often make the assumption that...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#330255Sun, 24 May 2009 00:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:330255Titithi8http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#330255http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-330255.xmlIt seems that I have the same opinion as you.( Yes, it can happen) is the main point I want to emphasize.Woman who accidentally gets pregnant should have decision herself. It's the result of inefficient contraception, a low failure rate of modern methods .Woman and man should decide to have a child or not to plan their family.After using a lot of modern methods of contraception,she accidentally gets pregnant,the decision should be the sole decision of the mother.In contrast, a lot of people don't think about the future, they have sexual intercourse without abstinence or contraception and at last they attribute the unfortunate result for their partners.Some men deny the responsibility , the woman should decide alone.Sometimes, the women...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#329319Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:329319Anonymous9http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/3/dwnrx/Post.htm#329319http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-329319.xmlI personally believe that the decision should be the sole decision of the mother. I have known enough women who got “stuck” with a whole bunch of children (some with 7!) because the father either died, committed suicide, skipped town, or became unemployed and was unable to pay a single cent. These woman were left to bear the entire burden alone, having to earn money to support them and raise these children single-handedly. Despite his good intentions, there simply is no guarantee the man will be there to help out emotionally and financially for the next 20 or 25 years. In my opinion, any woman who accidentally gets pregnant (yes, it CAN happen) and is mature enough to realize that she cannot give a baby a halfway...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#328533Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:328533Anonymous10http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#328533http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-328533.xmlYour very ethical opinion reveals something that makes me couldn't think over what you have said.For my personal experience, my friends and I had the same feeling with you before studying of sex education and contraception.. After my first covax practice,every night the special smile of the fifteen- year- old -girl looks like her small early baby seemed to appear in my nightmare. All of my mothers' friends should take them to the temple to ask for the forgiveness...My aunt recommended us to recite rosary prayers...You were born with a silver spoon in your mouth so it's difficult to ask you to be sympathize with those who were in the difficult situation, especially those who were born on the wrong side of the blanket.Your pet food could...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#324404Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:324404Flygonwings11http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#324404http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-324404.xmlAbortion is terrible. I really dislike it. Killing children. That is just cruel.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#324238Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:324238Anonymous12http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#324238http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-324238.xmlAbortion.. It's neither man's decision nor woman's decision, except some cases of incest, rape, prostitution etc...: woman or her parents{or protector} should decide to have or not to have a child. Sex education and contraception plays an important role in this situation. It should be taught in school earlier to prevent a lot of pitful thing. Man and woman should plan for their contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancy.They musn't have unprotected sexual intercourse and after that choose a lot of methods to prevent pregnancy including the current methods of disturbing implanted pregnancy.It harms a lot of woman's health and further more the later regret of the undesired pregnancy.It will be the man and woman's decision to have a child...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#323512Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:323512Mithunbarik13http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#323512http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-323512.xmlAnonymous wrote: Nona The Brit wrote: How can it be a child's decision? that's silly. It may sound silly but it's a matter of life and death! I say let the baby live and put him/her up for adoption if you REALLY don't want him/her. That's infinetly better than cutting up a baby with scissors or knives! Sometimes there are some situations where the baby is not acceptable:; due to medical (birth defects) or social (rape/incest). So then abortion becomes inevitable. Coming to the actual starting point I feel the decision should be entirely taken by the female partner. Please don't think that abortions are always resultant of one night stands. Actually in developing world there are many irresponsible husbands who...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#303413Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:303413Tidus14http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#303413http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-303413.xmlYes, there is that. Along with disregarding a court decision and having an abortion anyway, and paying the consequences.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#303407Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:303407nona the brit15http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#303407http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-303407.xmlI think that people have tried to take a couple of these cases to court but the woman has gone and had an abortion beforehand anyway. It must be an awful situation to be in.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#303403Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:303403Tidus16http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#303403http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-303403.xmlI think the decision would need to be approached as amicably as possible, but broadly speaking, I think if the man makes some sort of official statement saying that he wants the pregnancy to continue and that he'll assume all parental responsibility after the birth, then that should suffice - unfortunate for the woman cause it's her who carries the child.. But, I can see all manner of reasons that that might not work as intended, including: * having the abortion without telling the man she is pregnant. * claiming that the man deliberately tampered with condoms, so tricked her into getting pregnant. * not properly looking after the child during the pregnancy term ie smoking, drinking etc. * self inducing a miscarriage. And...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#303361Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:303361nona the brit17http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#303361http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-303361.xmlThis is a difficult point, Tidus. So if a couple are in conflict over this, how can a decision be made?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#303080Sun, 24 May 2009 00:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:303080Tidus18http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/2/dwnrx/Post.htm#303080http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-303080.xmlthis is a tricky one, but, the act of having sex was a joint decision. And, like every other joint decision, both parties have a say in the matter. This should be the same where abortion is concerned. I think that by having sex, both have acknowledged the possibility of pregnancy and termination of it should be a joint decision. I think as it stands at the moment, a man cannot demand that a woman have an abortion. Therefore, it is clearly unfair that a woman can just decide to have an abortion against the wishes of the man.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#303059Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:303059Anonymous19http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#303059http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-303059.xmlListen, we are talking about more than half a million....plus it is paid for...without this excessive amount of abortions there wouldn't be any problems with demographic figures. There is no justification for an abortion except in cases of rape or incest. There is definitely no kid dying of hunger in Germany unless parents deliberately starve it to death.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#302876Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:302876nona the brit20http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#302876http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-302876.xmlDon't be daft otherwise every other nation with abortion rights would have a falling population rate as well. Something is causing the birth rate to drop. You can't blame abortion for that any more than you could blame the availability of birth control. If we take your argument at face value then Germany should ban the pill, condoms, sterilisation and all other birth control methods until the population starts to grow again. You can't compel women to have children. Perhaps Germany should look for the reasons why fewer women want fewer babies.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#302822Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:302822Anonymous21http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#302822http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-302822.xmlIn fact the only one that can decide about killing the baby or not is the mother... I was just thinking about something else...has anybody ever heard that Germany is struggling with an ever dropping birth rate? At the same time there are 600,000(!) government sponsored abortions a year. I mean this is pathetic, isn't it? This is the result of feminists insistence on a woman's free choice when it comes to abortion.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#302241Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:302241Zerox22http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#302241http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-302241.xmlNormally people have a good reason why they are thinking about abortion, hence adoption is more than often not possible. It is a decision which should be made jointly, communication is crucial in this issue.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#302051Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:302051Anonymous23http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#302051http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-302051.xmlNona The Brit wrote: How can it be a child's decision? that's silly. It may sound silly but it's a matter of life and death! I say let the baby live and put him/her up for adoption if you REALLY don't want him/her. That's infinetly better than cutting up a baby with scissors or knives! Once someone is able to think and reason and decide for himself/herself if they REALLY want to DIE, then they can kill themselves. But the slaughter of millions of babies--who don't get to choose for themselves whether they live or die--is just plain WRONG! Personally, I really enjoy living!http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#300910Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:300910Melte24http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#300910http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-300910.xmlif you have sex with somebody, do you know, there is possibility to get pregnancy? silly is to sleap with somebody and forgot about responsability... (from one side i apologize, qastion was not about + or - abortion.)http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#300804Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:300804nona the brit25http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#300804http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-300804.xmlHow can it be a child's decision? that's silly.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#300789Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:300789Melte26http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htm#300789http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-300789.xmlchildren decision!!! and parrents are responsable for him/her who will be the most most most...for them!I'm against abortion, it's not natural.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htmTue, 24 Feb 2009 01:15:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:293638Anonymous27http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionWhosDecisionIsIt/dwnrx/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-293638.xmlI feel that I decision to abort a baby should not solely rely on the mother of the child. The father should also have some say so in the decision.