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Please register if you wish to post here.enXMOD (Build: 3607.32596)http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/27/grjg/Post.htm#477967Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:477967Anonymous0http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/27/grjg/Post.htm#477967http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-477967.xmlI don&#39;t know why mostly people from western lands are strongly misunderstoon by the meaning of Islam which itself means is &quot;Peace&quot;.Ok apart from the meanings and logic,I just want to share my thoughts here.As someone said not everyy muslim hates western world and but there are some Terrorists who they are trying to spoil the peace of the whole world,let me clear onething here Don&#39;t ever associate the term Terrorist with any True muslim.How can we beleieve?if someone is pretending to be a muslim with a muslim name and bombing around,it can be also assumed that there are some conspiracies making aganist us. I&#39;m just confused why couldn&#39;t U.N.O solve the problems of Muslim Countries Like Palestin and Occupied...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/27/grjg/Post.htm#445578Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:445578Anonymous1http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/27/grjg/Post.htm#445578http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-445578.xmlwow you are saying Ameican dosnt kill innocent people. i give you two exmaples; hope be enough for you to underestand that Ameica doesnt care about innocent people. In Kandahar, Afghanistan American bomb on the home of the wedding party host and 74 people were killed most of the dead and injured were women and chiliden, and a six year old girl naems PAliko, was brought to the hospital still wearing her party dress. all members of her family were killed.... ( makes me cry).. what was that killing innocent ppl or was just to pump up their party. how about nuclear bomb on Nagasaki, Japan, killing an estimated 40,000 people... i m just asking you to read news and read book dont be close minded please.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/27/grjg/Post.htm#442263Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:442263Sophia Summer2http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/27/grjg/Post.htm#442263http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-442263.xmlAnonymous wrote: the teachings of islam say all people are enemy except muslims so islam and muslims hate anyone who is not a muslim they are weak now so they try to show peace but god forbid they become strong they will inslave the world who told u this .. it is absolutely untrue am a muslim girl &amp; am telling u that this is the first time i heard such thing like this in my whole life the Holy Qur`an says the opposite &amp; i can proof it to u if u want to we do not hate pple from other religions ... for me, i have friends from all over the world &amp; from different religionshttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/27/grjg/Post.htm#439723Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:439723Grammar Geek3http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/27/grjg/Post.htm#439723http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-439723.xmlAn interesting interpretation, Anon, but it seems completely contrary to what I hear from my Muslim friends.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/27/grjg/Post.htm#439706Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:439706Anonymous4http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/27/grjg/Post.htm#439706http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-439706.xmlthe teachings of islam say all people are enemy except muslims so islam and muslims hate anyone who is not a muslim they are weak now so they try to show peace but god forbid they become strong they will inslave the worldhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/27/grjg/Post.htm#369605Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:369605Sara Straight & Tall5http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/27/grjg/Post.htm#369605http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-369605.xmlMrPedantic wrote: Sara wrote: But that does mean that his theories are to be applied to philosophy. Not just Maths. Hello Sara, welcome to the discussion of "Entia non sunt multiplicanda". Occam's razor (in its various forms) can naturally be applied in many fields, including mathematics. The principle does not preclude complexity, and does not imply "truth is simple". Rather, it provides a method of choosing between theories. Thus you might apply Occam's razor to two complex theories about the Lie Group E8, for instance. MrP If 19 mathematicians say so. I won't contradict them. But I will apply Occam's razor in my own way, and that is to cut myself off from any discussion about Maths. I...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#369588Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:369588Stannum6http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#369588http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-369588.xmlMrPedantic wrote: Sara wrote: But that does mean that his theories are to be applied to philosophy. Not just Maths. Hello Sara, welcome to the discussion of "Entia non sunt multiplicanda". Occam's razor (in its various forms) can naturally be applied in many fields, including mathematics. The principle does not preclude complexity, and does not imply "truth is simple". Rather, it provides a method of choosing between theories. Thus you might apply Occam's razor to two complex theories about the Lie Group E8, for instance. MrP I wonder when you will supply this truth that can not be stated elegantly. Stannumhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#369536Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:369536MrPedantic7http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#369536http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-369536.xmlSara wrote: But that does mean that his theories are to be applied to philosophy. Not just Maths. Hello Sara, welcome to the discussion of "Entia non sunt multiplicanda". Occam's razor (in its various forms) can naturally be applied in many fields, including mathematics. The principle does not preclude complexity, and does not imply "truth is simple". Rather, it provides a method of choosing between theories. Thus you might apply Occam's razor to two complex theories about the Lie Group E8, for instance. MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#369174Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:369174Sara Straight & Tall8http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#369174http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-369174.xmlMrPedantic wrote: Alexa For Australia wrote: But Occam was a philosopher. A "philosopher" in Occam's day might also deal with mathematics, physics, biology, etc. (They aspired to the condition of Aristotle; cf. the term "natural philosophy".) From a random google: http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Printref/Ockham.html See ref. #19. MrP Yep. But that does mean that his theories are to be applied to philosophy. Not just Maths.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#369065Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:369065MrPedantic9http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#369065http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-369065.xmlAlexa For Australia wrote: But Occam was a philosopher. A "philosopher" in Occam's day might also deal with mathematics, physics, biology, etc. (They aspired to the condition of Aristotle; cf. the term "natural philosophy".) From a random google: http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Printref/Ockham.html See ref. #19. MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#369064Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:369064MrPedantic10http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#369064http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-369064.xmlStannum wrote: I state that truth is simple and requires no complexity and all I have received is a rebuttal from you so complete in it's almost hard vacuum as to apparently refer to the mapping of a distant cluster of stars so far beyond our ken as to be in the realms of pure fantaxy. Well, the Lie group E8 does indeed sound like a distant cluster of stars; but in fact it's something even more difficult for featherless bipeds to comprehend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E8_(mathematics ) MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#368821Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:368821Alexa For Australia11http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#368821http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-368821.xmlMrPedantic wrote: Indeed. But Occam's razor does not mean that all truths are simple: it means that entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity. Thus a circle may be defined simply enough: the set of all points in a plane that are distance r from a particular fixed point. On the other hand, it took a team of 19 mathematicians 4 years to map the Lie group E8. MrP I don't like Maths, so I won't dispute with 19 mathematicians. But Occam was a philosopher.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#368669Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:368669Stannum12http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#368669http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-368669.xmlMrPedantic wrote: Alexa For Australia wrote: Lex parsimoniae, Mr Pedantic. The simpler the better. Alexa Indeed. But Occam's razor does not mean that all truths are simple: it means that entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity. Thus a circle may be defined simply enough: the set of all points in a plane that are distance r from a particular fixed point. On the other hand, it took a team of 19 mathematicians 4 years to map the Lie group E8. MrP This is really quite non responsive. I state that truth is simple and requires no complexity and all I have received is a rebuttal from you so complete in it's almost hard vacuum as to apparently refer to the mapping of a distant cluster of...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#368642Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:368642MrPedantic13http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#368642http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-368642.xmlAlexa For Australia wrote: Lex parsimoniae, Mr Pedantic. The simpler the better. Alexa Indeed. But Occam's razor does not mean that all truths are simple: it means that entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity. Thus a circle may be defined simply enough: the set of all points in a plane that are distance r from a particular fixed point. On the other hand, it took a team of 19 mathematicians 4 years to map the Lie group E8. MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#368520Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:368520Alexa For Australia14http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/26/grjg/Post.htm#368520http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-368520.xmlStannum wrote: MrPedantic wrote: Occam's razor: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. Which does not preclude complexity; only unnecessary complexity. Surely there are legitimate complexities, which could not be described succinctly or simply? MrP Such as? What truths are you referring to? Love the latinate Lex parsimoniae, Mr Pedantic. The simpler the better. Alexahttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368264Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:368264Stannum15http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368264http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-368264.xmlMrPedantic wrote: Occam's razor: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. Which does not preclude complexity; only unnecessary complexity. Surely there are legitimate complexities, which could not be described succinctly or simply? MrP Such as? What truths are you referring to? Love the latinatehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368211Sat, 23 May 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:368211MrPedantic16http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368211http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-368211.xmlOccam's razor: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. Which does not preclude complexity; only unnecessary complexity. Surely there are legitimate complexities, which could not be described succinctly or simply? MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368143Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:368143Stannum17http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368143http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-368143.xmlMrPedantic wrote: Truth is simple and lucid and succinct. Always? MrP To the non pedantically pedantic. Stannum Ockam's Razor Rules!http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368137Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:368137MrPedantic18http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368137http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-368137.xmlTruth is simple and lucid and succinct. Always? MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368135Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:368135Anonymous19http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368135http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-368135.xmlAnonymous wrote: I know it's a difficult subject to explain in a page or two. That's why there are about 70 'articles' on the following website to try to explain the message of the Bible, Truth is simple and lucid and succinct. Why do you think that Hitler et al employ buckets of meaningless drivel to stump thump their empty messages? Because by the time that a person is up to page 69 their mind wanders to anything else to distract themself from the pain of the drivel. I will mock any entity who threatens to inevitably destroy my world but displays not one jot ao ability to save the life of even one sparrow! Ooops, I did it again and the Righteous lightning missed missed me again. God must need glasses! He is...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368050Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:368050MrPedantic20http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368050http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-368050.xmlHello MrPedantic, I know it's a difficult subject to explain in a page or two. That's why there are about 70 'articles'... Thank you for that, Anon! Which of my comments are you replying to, out of interest? All the best, MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368036Sat, 23 May 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:368036Anonymous21http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#368036http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-368036.xmlHello MrPedantic, I know it's a difficult subject to explain in a page or two. That's why there are about 70 'articles' on the following website to try to explain the message of the Bible, ...which can teach the great Plan of God to one who diligently studies into it (and if he or she asks for God's help to do so). It's at: ZIONMINISTRY dot COM The Bible states that the main reason that Jesus Christ came to Earth is to destroy the Devil's plan (1 John 3:8). Christ didn't do this at His first coming...because at that time, He came to live a sinless life as a man, and to die to save all repentant sinners from the 2nd death, which is eternal death. So, obviously He must return to destroy the Devil's...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#364665Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:364665Jane Greco22http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#364665http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-364665.xmlBack to topic; Well,if you ask me I wouldn't say that they hate it-lack of knowledge about our lifestyle and understanding of Western world in general can only make them cautios,but I had exactly the same feelings when moving to a Moslem country. Eventually I've learned a lot about local culture,religion and it doesn't seem to scare me away anymore.. In fact, a lot of them struggling to get out of here, for a better life.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#361786Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361786Stannum23http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/25/grjg/Post.htm#361786http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361786.xmlAnonymous wrote: really graet subject and u have some great veiws but can u realy see from there point of view??? I suspect that I have your views down pat. Really great {or grateing} subject and you have some great {or grateful} views but can you really see from their {or that} point of the eye of a needle stuck in a camel cigarette's ___. Stannum Edited slightly by mod.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#361729Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361729Sara Straight & Tall24http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#361729http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361729.xmlSorry Gordon, I can't make head nor tails of your post. Homo homini lupus. A man is a wolf to a man. Man is the enemy of man. God has nothing to do with it. Sarahttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#361643Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361643Anonymous25http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#361643http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361643.xmlreally graet subject and u have some great veiws but can u realy see from there point of view???http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#360408Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:360408MrPedantic26http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#360408http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-360408.xmlThe Bible prophesies that it is Christ Himself who finally defeats the evil human powers who will rule the world near the end. That means that the Western world powers will not be able to defeat them ourselves!! So, unfortunately the West will be conquered by them first :-( ...before Christ finally returns to save the world from these evil beasts. ...I hope you live to see God's amazing Kingdom of peace that will follow, after all evil humans are completely destroyed! Amen! It's an interesting idea, Anon; but what would be the point of it? This is the sequence of events, if I understand you correctly: 1. A creates B and C. 2. A arranges for B to be conquered by C. 3. A arranges for X to destroy...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#360369Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:360369Stannum27http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#360369http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-360369.xmlGrammar Geek wrote: Your post is so disturbing, I'm not sure where to start, but this seems the statement most in need of being addressed: all God's evil enemies, whose God (allah) is actually satan, God's bitter enemy of old. That is an astonishing conclusion for anyone to draw and an appalling thing to say. With this kind of nonsense being spouted, no wonder there is so much distrust! I'd be curious to see where in the bible is says these things were going to happen, where it says that Satan was God's son, where it says that Allah is Satan, and the other things you claim. (And please, don't say "in Revelations." The "Beast" referred to by John is the Roman emporer at the time, who didn't take a very kindly view to the...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#360248Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:360248Grammar Geek28http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#360248http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-360248.xmlYour post is so disturbing, I'm not sure where to start, but this seems the statement most in need of being addressed: all God's evil enemies, whose God (allah) is actually satan, God's bitter enemy of old. That is an astonishing conclusion for anyone to draw and an appalling thing to say. With this kind of nonsense being spouted, no wonder there is so much distrust! I'd be curious to see where in the bible is says these things were going to happen, where it says that Satan was God's son, where it says that Allah is Satan, and the other things you claim. (And please, don't say "in Revelations." The "Beast" referred to by John is the Roman emporer at the time, who didn't take a very kindly view to the new Christians, and he had...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#360185Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:360185Anonymous29http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#360185http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-360185.xmlHello, I know your post was made about 3 years ago, but I have only just read it, so I will reply anyway. The subject matter of the radical moslem problem is still with us and will not just go away by itself. It has to be confronted. Good on you, New Yorker! Your conclusions are very plausible, and I agree with them. And it's NO surprise that our enemies are the same old enemies of God that surround His Holy land of Israel, and His chosen city of Jerusalem. The Bible states that Jerusalem will be the city that The Father and Christ will make their home, after Christ returns to completely crush all God's evil enemies, whose God (allah) is actually satan, God's bitter enemy of old. The Bible...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#359473Sat, 23 May 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:359473Stannum30http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#359473http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-359473.xmlAleen wrote: David wrote: Aleen what saddens me more than anything is that regardless of America or anyone else the Middle East is riddled with internal conflict. There is sectarian conflict in Iraq the Lebanon Palestine etc. A Lebanese friend of mine said that there was more internal conflict than anything Israel threw at it. If there is so much desire for peace which I sincerely believe there is why not settle your own differences first. Attacking and blaming everyone else will not help however true the accusations. America goes then what? I think it is the unnecessary killing we all wish would stop. i was obviously talking abt palestine only not lebanon not iraq we don't even have shea's in palestine wut sectarian...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#359391Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:359391Aleen31http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#359391http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-359391.xmlDavid wrote: Aleen what saddens me more than anything is that regardless of America or anyone else the Middle East is riddled with internal conflict. There is sectarian conflict in Iraq the Lebanon Palestine etc. A Lebanese friend of mine said that there was more internal conflict than anything Israel threw at it. If there is so much desire for peace which I sincerely believe there is why not settle your own differences first. Attacking and blaming everyone else will not help however true the accusations. America goes then what? I think it is the unnecessary killing we all wish would stop. i was obviously talking abt palestine only not lebanon not iraq we don't even have shea's in palestine wut sectarian conflict would we even...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#359281Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:359281Stannum32http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/24/grjg/Post.htm#359281http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-359281.xmlJulielai wrote: Thanks for all the input, guys. You are totally and utterly welcome. I am learning enormously from a wonderful friend. I am only too happy to be of assistance on such a subject. Stannumhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#359272Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:359272julielai33http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#359272http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-359272.xmlThanks for all the input, guys.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#359228Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:359228Stannum34http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#359228http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-359228.xmlAlexa For Australia wrote: If the question asked: "Why do so many Muslims living in impoverished and/or war ridden countries hate the Western World?" it would make sense. Aww, give the poster a break. How can a person post an hysteron proteron if they can't slant the playing field of the question with cant? Alexa For Australia wrote: But then, the question wouldn't need an answer. And it doesn't really need one now. I may not know art but I do know what I don't hate. Stannumhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#359073Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:359073David35http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#359073http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-359073.xmlAleen what saddens me more than anything is that regardless of America or anyone else the Middle East is riddled with internal conflict. There is sectarian conflict in Iraq the Lebanon Palestine etc. A Lebanese friend of mine said that there was more internal conflict than anything Israel threw at it. If there is so much desire for peace which I sincerely believe there is why not settle your own differences first. Attacking and blaming everyone else will not help however true the accusations. America goes then what? I think it is the unnecessary killing we all wish would stop.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#359066Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:359066Alexa For Australia36http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#359066http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-359066.xmlGrammar Geek wrote: Aribrary perhaps, but the Prime Meridian has been the dividing time between "East" and "West" since 1675. Enough time to get used to the idea. Anyway we are digressing from the topic. Yes, arbitrary. But we are not digressing from the topic. The Greenwich Meridian was used to divide time zones. Not people . It wasn't used to divide Muslims in the East, Christians in the West, Buddists in the East, Jews in the West.... There are millions of muslims living and breathing in the so-called Western Countries. Which are, in fact, their own.. All those million of muslims don't hate their own country, whichever it is. If the question asked: "Why do so many Muslims living in impoverished and/or war...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#358973Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:358973Stannum37http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#358973http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-358973.xmlGrammar Geek wrote: Alexa For Australia wrote: And what is the Western World, anyway? For an American it would be Japan... Alexa Even though we are shockingly bad at geography, most of us know that the "West" is not the same as traveling in a westerly direction. Japan and the rest of Asia is "the East" and it doesn't matter which direction we travel to get there. Aww, give her a break will ya The girl's just trying to lighten the load a little. I thought that it was pretty observant. Many people of the West are a little ignorant of peoples of the East including Japan. Stannumhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#358948Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:358948Grammar Geek38http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#358948http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-358948.xmlAribrary perhaps, but the Prime Meridian has been the dividing time between "East" and "West" since 1675. Enough time to get used to the idea. Anyway we are digressing from the topic.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#358939Sat, 23 May 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:358939Alexa For Australia39http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#358939http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-358939.xmlMaybe. But is a totally arbitrary decision. Alexahttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#358930Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:358930Grammar Geek40http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#358930http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-358930.xmlAlexa For Australia wrote: And what is the Western World, anyway? For an American it would be Japan... Alexa Even though we are shockingly bad at geography, most of us know that the "West" is not the same as traveling in a westerly direction. Japan and the rest of Asia is "the East" and it doesn't matter which direction we travel to get there.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#358891Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:358891Alexa For Australia41http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/23/grjg/Post.htm#358891http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-358891.xmlHow many Muslims there are in the world and how many of them hate the western World? And what is the Western World, anyway? For an American it would be Japan... Alexahttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#358539Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:358539Stannum42http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#358539http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-358539.xmlOr are willing to admit. Stannumhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#357465Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:357465Mike in Japan43http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#357465http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-357465.xmlI agree. A huge number of Moslems are in fact part of the Western World. We have more in common than some people realise.http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#357284Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:357284Stannum44http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#357284http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-357284.xmlI believe that this question is based on an hysteron proteron. I do not believe that a statistically significant number of Moslems hate the Western world. Stannumhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#348923Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:348923Anonymous45http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#348923http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-348923.xmland sometimes media tells completely the opposithttp://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#348444Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:348444Efkan46http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#348444http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-348444.xmlYeap that's right and I wanna add something: THERE IS NOTHING LIKE BEING RADICAL MUSLIM IN ISLAM IF SOME SAYS THAT RADICAL MUSLIMS WANT TO HURT ANYBODY... SO THINK THAT I WATCHED SOME RADICAL CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS THAT MAKE THEIR PUPILS SCREAM "WAR FOREVER" DON'T TRY TO CORRECT SOMETHING UNTIL YOU LL BE CORRECTED SOMEHOW... AND STILL MEDIA TELL THE HALF OF EVERYTHING... BUT THEY TELL THE TRUTH IN MOST SUBJECTS... THE SITUATION IN IRAQ IS WORSE THAN YOU SEE!http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#342951Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:342951Ahmedali11147http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#342951http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-342951.xmlSo many people think that Islam has come to force others to change their religions and if they refused to do so ,they should face death penalty! For someone who does not know anything about Islam it may be justifiable , but how could a poor muslim nowadays answer all those comments about the ourages committed in the name of Islam ?! I ask all the christians , do you consider the crusades which were carried out in the name of christianity to be consistent with the true teachings of your religion ? If yes, I think you will have very little to blame Islam for, and if no, why should you count crimes which are being comitted by some recently born political groups to be agreeing with our teachings?!!! when the prophet of islam would send an...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#339390Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:339390Aleen48http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#339390http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-339390.xmlDjchak wrote: it's not the protectionism what i consider selfeshness it's the agressive protection what i consider selfish , if someone didn't like In what way do people who hate the US policy get "punished"? havent you said we should be protected if many ppl feel the same as you do towards US What are you talking about? Protectionism is protectionism, regardless of the degree. The rest of the world actually has more influence on the degree witin US policy than we do..... so u don't care if protecting you include the death of civilians not to mention that every muslim is like a suspect for you some innocents are being punished in Gwantanamo a guy has been paralysised in the Gwantanamo and he turned out to be innocent...http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#339261Sat, 23 May 2009 01:30:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:339261Djchak49http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyMoslemsHateWesternWorld-Yorker/22/grjg/Post.htm#339261http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-339261.xmlAleen wrote: it's not the protectionism what i consider selfeshness it's the agressive protection what i consider selfish , if someone didn't like USA's policy he should be punished?and u should be protected because some ppl just don't like it?is it really that dangerous?(man the world's help are not allowed to recieve palestine because of USA as a punishment for us and i dunno why and u say it's non rational! if you were in my shoes would u really have posotive felings towards USA? just see what palestine turned out to be after this imposed isolationism there had been already 70% povrety it became 80%) "a very small minority of people get the wrong ideas about "Islam". you are pretty much ignoring what USA has caused to us...