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Please register if you wish to post here.enXMOD (Build: 3607.32596)http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/11/vddvr/Post.htm#790834Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:17:01 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:790834Soka0http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/11/vddvr/Post.htm#790834http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-790834.xmlI think this explains it the best- If there is anything that we wish to change in the child, we should first examine it and see whether it is not something that could betther be changed in ourselves -Carl Gustav Junghttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/11/vddvr/Post.htm#457971Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:457971Anonymous1http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/11/vddvr/Post.htm#457971http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-457971.xmlDGui wrote: What do you think? Was reading the past week that a new law has been passed in Spain that prohibits whichever form of violence against children, I'm not talking about spanking, but a single slap in the face is illegal now, it seems correct to me, if you want to redirect a troublesome children just talk things over, viloence engenders violence. Curiously, there was also a poll in the newspaper, and 9 out of 10 persons were against this new law...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/11/vddvr/Post.htm#443009Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:443009Anonymous2http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/11/vddvr/Post.htm#443009http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-443009.xmlI think we should spank children. It teches them disiplin and responsibility. Because back then they didn't have doors to look them in there room they just grabbed what ver was closet to them.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#405834Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:405834Cvilla3http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#405834http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-405834.xmlSojourner_lala wrote: Punishment and praise are both essential factors on eductating our chidren.According to the result of Skinner's study on behavor,praise are much more advanced than punishment .Nevertheless,it's also useful to punish children ,which can reduce the wrong behavior . Spanking the child just limit on the physical state ,and it's easy to break the rule of law.So we 've better avoid spanking child .The approach to punish your child could be ,just as refusing to buy the toy she or he really desire to get, or let it alone. However, respecting your child is vital to his or her growth . Litstening their words , trying to get into their world to understand their point , and don't forget to praise and encourage child when...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#399941Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:399941Sojourner_lala4http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#399941http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-399941.xmlPunishment and praise are both essential factors on eductating our chidren.According to the result of Skinner's study on behavor,praise are much more advanced than punishment .Nevertheless,it's also useful to punish children ,which can reduce the wrong behavior . Spanking the child just limit on the physical state ,and it's easy to break the rule of law.So we 've better avoid spanking child .The approach to punish your child could be ,just as refusing to buy the toy she or he really desire to get, or let it alone. However, respecting your child is vital to his or her growth . Litstening their words , trying to get into their world to understand their point , and don't forget to praise and encourage child when he or she perform very...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#399035Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:399035BW2/35http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#399035http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-399035.xmlI don't believe in spanking. Spanking their butts make them scare you. That don't solve what the prbolem is. I think I would reason with them and explain to them why they are wrong. Anyways, I have no kids yet. Who cares what I say?http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#393684Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:393684julielai6http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#393684http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-393684.xmlThat's an interesting idea, Doll. Thanks for sharing.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#393654Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:393654Doll7http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#393654http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-393654.xmlYes I admit that I exaggerated a bit. Well, to be more correct, I say beaten childeren have a susceptibility to behave worse than the others.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#393497Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:393497nona the brit8http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#393497http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-393497.xmlAh, well I can't agree with you there Doll. Otherwise the world would be full of killers?http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#393396Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:393396Doll9http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#393396http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-393396.xmlYes. With a high probability yes.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#393373Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:393373julielai10http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#393373http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-393373.xmlHi Doll, Do you mean those who have been beaten by a belt are going to kill? Cheers.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#393317Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:393317Doll11http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/10/vddvr/Post.htm#393317http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-393317.xmlDavid wrote: How do you equate a quick slap on the bum with the making of a terrorist.Sounds very far fetched. Terrorism is to do with fanaticism and hatred not love and care. Obviously no one is suggesting brutality. Hello David, I respect your thoughts but to me terrosim starts just from the family. Beating a child with belt? Can you imagine this? This child will want to take revenge and guess what he will do. I will tell you, he will take his revenge by beating youngers or killing people. Even worse, he may think that this is the right way because he learnt so. Terrorism is not fanaticism, terrorism is the bad memories in our lives, terorism is the war in our brain. Take care.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#393107Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:393107nona the brit12http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#393107http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-393107.xmlI think I have to agree with Doll there - a parent who beats a child with a belt to the extent of drawing blood must surely be having a bad effect on that child. Hardly a slap on the bum.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#393102Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:393102David13http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#393102http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-393102.xmlHow do you equate a quick slap on the bum with the making of a terrorist.Sounds very far fetched. Terrorism is to do with fanaticism and hatred not love and care. Obviously no one is suggesting brutality.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#392947Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:392947Doll14http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#392947http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-392947.xmlAnonymous wrote: My fathers old belt is stained with the blood of love and dicipline and is ready to come out of retirement if i find out my son swore at his teacher again Congratulation, a new terrorist is about to come among us. Go on behaving like this!http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#392900Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:392900Anonymous15http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#392900http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-392900.xmlMy fathers old belt is stained with the blood of love and dicipline and is ready to come out of retirement if i find out my son swore at his teacher againhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#376292Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:376292Old Man Gordon16http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#376292http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-376292.xmlForbes- you can go ahead and speculate, but the meaning is clearly number one. I would like to point out that this phrase is not, strictly speaking, from the Bible, but it does put forth the biblical wisdom about discipline. Proverbs 13:24 says "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him." and Proverbs 23:13-14 says " 13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. 14 Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death."http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#376046Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:376046Forbes17http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#376046http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-376046.xmlNewmoon1805 wrote: Spare the rod and spoil the child. I have often mused on the different possible meanings of that- 1. If you spare the rod (do not use it) you will spoil the child 2. If you spare the rod (do no harm to the rod) you will spoil the child 3. (a) Spare the rod (do not use it); and, (a totally separate instruction) (b) spoil the child 4. (a) Spare the rod (do no harm to the rod); and, (a totally separate instruction) (b) spoil the child You could go on with all the various meanings of "spoil".http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#373758Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:373758Stannum18http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#373758http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-373758.xmlNewmoon1805 wrote: Spare the rod and spoil the child. G'day Newmoon, Does this 'rod' refer to physical punishment or discipline in general? Stannumhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#373443Thu, 21 May 2009 19:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:373443Newmoon180519http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#373443http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-373443.xmlSpare the rod and spoil the child.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#370698Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370698Stannum20http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/9/vddvr/Post.htm#370698http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370698.xmlJulielai wrote: Anytime. The paper is in the net, if you are interested. Thanks. All you need do is ask. Stannumhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370675Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370675julielai21http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370675http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370675.xmlAnytime. The paper is in the net, if you are interested. Thanks.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370664Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370664Sara Straight & Tall22http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370664http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370664.xmlStannum wrote: Is this it? http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/topic100586610 Stannum That'll do!http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370652Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370652Stannum23http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370652http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370652.xmlIs this it? http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/topic100586610 Stannumhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370643Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370643Sara Straight & Tall24http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370643http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370643.xmlJulielai wrote: Thanks for your info, Sara. That being said, I'd like to read the paper to see what they mean by "child abuse". Chances are these doctors look at the cases that need medical treatment. (I, on the other hand, can count the number of bruises I've ever got in one hand.) Cheers. Anytime. The paper is in the net, if you are interested. I supplied it at your own request: Please continue, but remember to back up your argument with empirical evidence, research, facts or figures.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370640Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370640Stannum25http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370640http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370640.xmlMrPedantic wrote: adolescents are more likely, for instance, to do poorly in school, suffer emotional problems, develop an antisocial personality, become promiscuous, abuse drugs and alcohol I feel suddenly quite nostalgic. MrP As an old timer like myself I would like to ask you straight out. Do you reckon that there was more physical discipline of kids back in our youth. I know about all the horror stories of the instutionalised violence of some schools and professional carers but that is a side issue. Does anybody really think that most parents smacked their kids back in the old days. I have done a straw poll of my family and that of my wife. My side has no history of smacking and my wife has...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370584Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370584MrPedantic26http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370584http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370584.xmladolescents are more likely, for instance, to do poorly in school, suffer emotional problems, develop an antisocial personality, become promiscuous, abuse drugs and alcohol I feel suddenly quite nostalgic. MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370547Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370547julielai27http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370547http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370547.xmlThanks for your info, Sara. That being said, I'd like to read the paper to see what they mean by "child abuse". Chances are these doctors look at the cases that need medical treatment. (I, on the other hand, can count the number of bruises I've ever got in one hand.) Cheers.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370545Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370545Sara Straight & Tall28http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370545http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370545.xmlJohnson, Charles F. "Abuse and Neglect of Children." In Nelson Textbook of Pediatrics , ed. Richard E. Behrman. Philadelphia: W. B. Saunders Co., 1996. Child abuse can have lifelong consequences. Research shows that abused children and adolescents are more likely, for instance, to do poorly in school, suffer emotional problems, develop an antisocial personality, become promiscuous, abuse drugs and alcohol, and attempt suicide. As adults they often have trouble establishing intimate relationships. Whether professional treatment is able to moderate the long-term psychological effects of abuse is a question that remains unanswered. I'm awfully glad for you, Julielai, because you have not suffered any consequences after being abused as...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370460Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370460Stannum29http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/8/vddvr/Post.htm#370460http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370460.xmlAnonymous wrote: As a child it worked for me and it seems to work for some of my children as well. Although it is for wveryone Dean Anon, With all due respects and with the utmost sympathy for your plight you simply can not possibly know this as you have no objective frame of reference. I note that you say taht smacking worked for some of your children. Is this because you smacked them all and some were successful or that you only smacked some and they were all successful? Stannumhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#370392Thu, 21 May 2009 19:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370392Anonymous30http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#370392http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370392.xmlAs a child it worked for me and it seems to work for some of my children as well. Although it is for wveryonehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#362920Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:362920julielai31http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#362920http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-362920.xmlAfter having a discussion with an admin and a user over who should or shouldn't lock threads (see Comments), I've decided to unlock this thread so discussions can continue. Let me summarize what has been discussed. Arguments brought up: 1. A is okay/not okay because it is legal or illegal in Country Y. e.g. A is not okay because it's illegal, and one shouldn't break the law. Of course, this argument holds true only in a geographic region. Participants should know why Country Y's law is superior to, say, Country X's. 2. A is effective/ineffective. Support mostly from empirical evidence. 3. A is/is not harmful psychologically or physically. Again, support mostly from personal experience or empirical evidence. Support used...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#362028Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:362028julielai32http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#362028http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-362028.xmlYour logic: Slavery is evil and long-standing. Physical punishment is long-standing. So physical punishment is evil. Like I said, many of us grow up to be perfectly normal. What more do you need? That said, I do not believe in physical punishment as an effective way of punishment in general. Unless you know firsthand what it is like, please do not presume you know it. It is presumptive and inconsiderate for those who have experienced it. Thank you. I suggest we leave the thread alone for a week or so and come back to see if anyone has a new line of argument. Everyone has said the same thing like 5 times. When we come back, I hope everyone leaves the permanent damage thing off the table.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#362008Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:362008Alexa For Australia33http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#362008http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-362008.xmlThe occasional "bop" in the head or a "minor" beating would land a Spanish parent in jail as fast as lighting. I am quite surprised such things are not punished by law in GB. However, such information comes in handy for the next time a British Citizen mentions the cruelty that us Spanish people show towards poor bulls. I agree that physical punishment was usually used by parents of older generations, and that it was accepted everywhere. But so was slavery, Possibly slavery did not cause permanent damage to the people who suffered it either. Alexahttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#361986Thu, 21 May 2009 19:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361986julielai34http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#361986http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361986.xmlYes, people who get an occasional "bop" in the head or a minor beating aren't voiceless. We were free to talk about it -- occasionally brought it up in school, as a matter of fact. My nephews talk about it too. Not voiceless at all. None of these parents keep their kids from speaking to others about it. Remember also that children get similar injuries all by themselves just by bumping into something. We don't consider those or bops on the head permanent injuries. We never saw the doctor, mind you. Those who can't speak up are the ones who go to the hospital, with parents lying to cover up the wounds. I applaud your effort to speak up for those cases. We've practically beaten the subject to death. I suggest we leave the thread as...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#361917Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361917Stannum35http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#361917http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361917.xmlErgo you are not voiceless so I am not in defence of you. I remain firmly in defence of the voiceless. Stannum Not being the voice of an entire generation (edited to remove formatting issues)http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#361884Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361884julielai36http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#361884http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361884.xmlRemaining firmly in the discussion in defence of the voiceless. I'm not voiceless, Stannum. I, along with many in my generation, got beaten by parents regularly. And beating was very common in the old days. I never have a need to see a doctor or a psychologist because of the beating. I, like thousands of others and god knows how many in the old days who were beaten as a child, grew up to be perfectly normal. I'm not saying beating worked. It didn't -- for me. But this was part of the old culture, and I accepted it as part of the old-fashioned way of dealing with things as I grew up. The beating didn't bother me as much as the scolding -- truth be told. Often I'd rather my parents beat me than scold me (their words were meaner,...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#361878Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361878Stannum37http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#361878http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361878.xmlYou considered it wuite cool to speak of the mattewr until I answered a question about the illegality of using an impliment to 'bop' the growing cranium of young children. The soft spot doesn't even fully harden in the first year or so so we Aussie colonials decided that the soft skulls of our most vulnerable sould be protected from being hit by dead objects. At least if the step mum uses her hand she will have better feed back about the effects of the 'bop' Stannum Remaining firmly in the discussion in defence of the voiceless.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#361426Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361426nona the brit38http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/7/vddvr/Post.htm#361426http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361426.xmlClearly different countries have different approaches to this. In the UK you can tap your kid with a teaspoon but you'd be very likely to be prosecuted for deliberately burning a childs face or fingers. Anyway if a tap with a teaspoon can cause brain damage you seriously need to increase the calcium in Australian children's diet so that they can have normal skulls like everyone else. lol. . Bowing out of this discussion as it is getting far too silly for me.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361314Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361314Stannum39http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361314http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361314.xmlFeebs11 wrote: Nobody in this discussion has mentioned that children are happier if they know the boundaries. All children will test adults to see how far they can go and one of the problems facing young parents is knowing how to respond. A short sharp tap is far more effective in telling a young child that the limit has been reached than all the reasoning in the world. Once a child has acquired enough language to understand, fine, talk at/with them - but the limits still have to be set and maintained. I was careful and clever and suble enough to be able to communicate with my little one from a very early age. Pchoice of tool to administer life lessons. I am there to minimise the toughening process. My child is not a seed...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361313Thu, 21 May 2009 19:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361313Stannum40http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361313http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361313.xmlDoll wrote: Brutalism indeed as against a casual 'bop' on the head with an impliment which is a criminal offence in Australia and would land the evil perpetrator in jail. Is the underlined sentence really true? Yup. I have no need to lie or embellish or colour. Accurately researched reality is far grosser than any fiction. In Australia it is a Criminal Offence, therefore punishable by imprisonment not merely a fine, to strike a child above the area of the shoulders with any impliment. This wqas specifically enacted to stop well meaning step parents and such like from inflicting brain damage on developing brains. Other countries apparently have different strokes and different folks. Stannumhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361302Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361302Feebs1141http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361302http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361302.xmlNobody in this discussion has mentioned that children are happier if they know the boundaries. All children will test adults to see how far they can go and one of the problems facing young parents is knowing how to respond. A short sharp tap is far more effective in telling a young child that the limit has been reached than all the reasoning in the world. Once a child has acquired enough language to understand, fine, talk at/with them - but the limits still have to be set and maintained. Watching animals with their young, the mothers often administer a sharp reproof if the infant trangresses - and usually it is in the form of a slight blow. Humans are just the same.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361282Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361282Doll42http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361282http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361282.xmlBrutalism indeed as against a casual 'bop' on the head with an impliment which is a criminal offence in Australia and would land the evil perpetrator in jail. Is the underlined sentence really true?http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361208Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361208Stannum43http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361208http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361208.xmlAlexa For Australia wrote: And to have an icecube ready at hand. What he has learnt is not to come near the oven when you are there. The lesson was not to come near the oven when it's on. On the positive side from me he would learn that hot ovens burn inquisitive fingers and that ice heals burns while from you he would positively learn to fear the hand of woman who moves in ways so strange to the wide eyed little learner seeing monkeys as monkey's do see. M.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361119Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361119Alexa For Australia44http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361119http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361119.xmlNona The Brit wrote: You think it's better to deliberately push a child into a hot object so that he burns his face (quite possibly scaring them for life) than bop them on the head with a spoon? Should I also have nudged him out the window and let him fall 20 feet to teach him it is dangerous? How bizarre. You got him wrong. What he's saying is that you could have drawn the kid's hand near to the hot door, and even made him touch it with one of his fingers for one second, so he would realize he could really get hurt. And to have an icecube ready at hand. What he has learnt is not to come near the oven when you are there. The lesson was not to come near the oven when it's on. Alexahttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361079Thu, 21 May 2009 19:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361079Stannum45http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361079http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361079.xmlDoll wrote: Hey Stannum, I really don't agree with you about your way of teaching a child what to do or not to do. Your way just seemed me a brutalism rather than a way of teaching, I am sorry. Which bits ar brutal and whitch bits are logical and caring? Stannum Brutalism indeed as against a casual 'bop' on the head with an impliment which is a criminal offence in Australia and would land the evil perpetrator in jail. Roberthttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361042Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361042Stannum46http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361042http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361042.xmlNona The Brit wrote: Hey, you were the one who said I should use my elbow to push him into the hot oven door so that he learns a lesson by burning his face. Did I not speak of spending two precious hours to actually talk rather than a simple minded bop? Did I not speak of having an ice cube instantly available? Where did I speak of scarring? Your words give my mouth a bad taste. Your words are not my words. I am not related to Cinderella in any way. Children are to be cherished and taught. My child is my immortality. Your child is your immortality. Our children are our immortality. I love my immortality more than my mortality and she is more valuable to me than my very time. Now you have a nice day...http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361016Thu, 21 May 2009 19:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:361016Doll47http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/6/vddvr/Post.htm#361016http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-361016.xmlHey Stannum, I really don't agree with you about your way of teaching a child what to do or not to do. Your way just seemed me a brutalism rather than a way of teaching, I am sorry.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/5/vddvr/Post.htm#360999Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:360999nona the brit48http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/5/vddvr/Post.htm#360999http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-360999.xmlHey, you were the one who said I should use my elbow to push him into the hot oven door so that he learns a lesson by burning his face.http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/5/vddvr/Post.htm#360988Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:360988Stannum49http://www.englishforums.com/English/ShouldWeSpankOurChildren/5/vddvr/Post.htm#360988http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-360988.xmlNona The Brit wrote: You think it's better to deliberately push a child into a hot object so that he burns his face (quite possibly scaring them for life) than bop them on the head with a spoon? Should I also have nudged him out the window and let him fall 20 feet to teach him it is dangerous? How bizarre. Yup. That's obviously what I am saying. What's a mere 20 feet fall for a wonderful step-mother. What's the kid's nickname, Cinderella?? Stannum