http://www.englishforums.com/English/ControversialTopics/Forum28.htm<font color=red>This entire section is moderated</font><br> Dedicated to continual re-education and our search for a broader understanding of life. Please register if you wish to post here.enXMOD (Build: 3607.32596)http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/15/gwqpd/Post.htm#760648Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:32:15 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:760648eyehawk0010http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/15/gwqpd/Post.htm#760648http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-760648.xmlI am not quite sure, but i believe that US interference has been conducted since WWII. the main purposes were to indirectly occupy natural resources in other countries, for instance, Saudi Arabia has been protected by USA since WWII and to prevent other power countries to spread thier territories, for instance, USA sent troops in Afghanistan to prevent and push USSR army out during the cold war. After the cold war, none major power countries dared to fight against USA. Therefore; it was a time for USA to spread its economic, military and political influnces. You can see how USA devides the world and how many international military bases are on earth form the pentagon web site. After the cold war, USA became the sole super power instead...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/15/gwqpd/Post.htm#568617Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:568617Cool Breeze1http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/15/gwqpd/Post.htm#568617http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-568617.xmlOf course there are similar examples that occurred before GWB became president. President Nixon didn&#39;t have President Allende&#39;s human rights on his mind when Nixon ordered Allende assassinated. Augusto Pinochet, who succeeded Allende, had at least 3,500 people killed. These 3,500 people had few human rights as well. Without Nixon, they wouldn&#39;t have lost their lives. There is an interesting article about the overthrow of President Allende and the recent economic growth of Chile in the September 22, 2008 issue of Newsweek . The writer, Mexico&#39;s former foreign minister and Global Distinguished Professor Jorge Castañeda of New York University correctly calls Augusto Pinochet a dictator, but does not mention the US...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/15/gwqpd/Post.htm#557895Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557895Ruslana2http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/15/gwqpd/Post.htm#557895http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557895.xmlAnd I need to get off this topic; I have too much else to do . Sober.http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/15/gwqpd/Post.htm#557848Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557848Dew 20073http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/15/gwqpd/Post.htm#557848http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557848.xmlSouth Ossetia was a part of Georgia and North Ossetia is a part of Russia. Before 1991 it din&#39;t cause any military actions. But in 1991 the former Georgian president Gamsakhurdia proclamed that Georgia is only for Georgians (like Hitler in 1941 - Germany is only for Germans) and the Georgians began to slaughter Ossetinins and Abkhasians. Then UN provided Russian peacekeeping forces in these republics. Russia never said that it stands against these republics being a part of Georgia, though they proclaimed their independence. But this year when the Georgians attacked the peacekeepers and Tskhinval This situation changed... Russia now stands for the INTERNATIONAL DISCUSSION of the status of these republics. But this point is not...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557843Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557843lisadove4http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557843http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557843.xmlone of the dictators the USA cozied up to And there have been SO many: Batista in Cuba, Somoza in Nicaragua (When Americans donated blood to Nicaragua for earthquake relief, he sold it.), Noriega in Panama, Saddam in Iraq (these last two made the mistake of thinking they could act without asking the US government for permission.), the Apartheid government in South Africa-- the list is very long. And when the people resist, who can they turn to? When the most powerful country in the world is supporting your oppressors, you have nowhere to turn except to their enemies. The US has become a government that supports freedom to practice capitalism and liberty of ownership. Yes, I have the right to vote for my representatives in the...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557828Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557828Ruslana5http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557828http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557828.xmlWe want to live in freindship with Georgians and Ukrainians. They have always lived near by and lived in friendship. Why come here and tell them what is wrong and right? stay at home and welocome those who want to live your way. wrong Russia conquered them 200 years ago. They were brutally oppressed until 1991. You call that friendship? Now I&#39;m wondering what your definition of liberty is. lol this is the greatest example of having NO IDEA of the actual history of the region. My grandfa was an Ukrainian, and he, having lived in Ukraine for years, DID NOT think that Ukraine was &quot;brutally opressed&quot; by &quot;evil Russians&quot;. Oh gosh... Shaved, please stop now there and do not make me laugh again with the way the...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557827Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557827Cool Breeze6http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557827http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557827.xmlThe Shah of Iran was our buddy. Hi Avangi Indeed he was. He was one of the dictators the USA cozied up to in an effort to guarantee cheap Iranian oil for the West. The complete lack of human rights in Iran was of absolutely no importance in this courtship. Like much of what has been said in this thread, the following quotation from Time Magazine may be off topic but it is a good example of well disguised American ingratiation: Certainly no other oil power has a leader quite as visionary and energetic in his planning. Even though the Shah&#39;s ambitious plans for Iran are barely under way, the country has already achieved such a pre-eminent place in the Middle East that businessmen and diplomats alike are beating a jet-pattern path...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557823Thu, 21 May 2009 15:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557823Ruslana7http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557823http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557823.xmlCome to Russia and see by your own eyes what exists here and what does not (because you won&#39;t believe me if I say that liberty does exist here). But Russia doesn&#39;t want the same liberty and justice as in Iraq and Yugoslavia. [/quote I have no future plan nor interest as yet to visit Russia . But If one is doing the finger pointing, he need sto make sure he himself is not guilty. What do you call the recent unfolding events? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4551488.ece Is this what you consider “liberty and justice” Russia style”? This is what I call misinformation. Did you hear the news that &quot;Russiahttp://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557809Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557809Avangi8http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557809http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557809.xmlThe people who force their women to be covered don&#39;t have any idea of real Islam.They are as norrow minded as the ones who see the headscarf as a sign of underdevelopment and ignorence. Hi Cm. This is a significant idea. As I said way way back in this thread, as an American grade school student in the 40&#39;s and 50&#39;s I was taught that the world was &quot;modernizing,&quot; which at that time seemed to mean &quot;Westernizing,&quot; or learning about and acquiring &quot;modern conveniences and technology.&quot; Perhaps unfortunately, this process seemed to carry a bit of western culture along with it. We read about countries where people wanted to dress like westerners and listen to western music and copy western dating and...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557760Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557760lisadove9http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557760http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557760.xmlI agree. The America I grew up believing in no longer exists (I would say &quot;if it ever did&quot;, but I think the rebuilding of Germany and Japan after WWII was pretty decent). The country is in decline, which was confirmed for me when Bush was elected in 2004 (he wasn&#39;t in 2000). That&#39;s why I no longer live there.http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557749Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557749shaved10http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557749http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557749.xml&quot;For all intensive purposes&quot; ? idioms are often repeated without people really understanding what they mean someone hears people saying a word or phrase, and then they start using it.. or so they think later on, they get into a situation where they use that word or phrase in writing rather than just verbally ...and you get emails or reports with little gems such as: For all intensive purposes never lick a gift horse in the mouth supposably irregardless scanless lip singing I&#39;m an editor, this stuff makes me laugh.http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557747Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557747Goodman11http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557747http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557747.xmlremember that your right to swing your arm ends when it hits my nose It depends whose right you are referring to. Some like to think their right extend to poking you eyes after hitting your nose But one curious question, &quot;For all intensive purposes&quot; ?http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557745Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557745shaved12http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/14/gwqpd/Post.htm#557745http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557745.xmlFor entertainment value, let me throw this &quot;ridculous&quot; question out, what if the person choose to wear nothing, do you think it’s ok? depends on the context remember that your right to swing your arm ends when it hits my nose = )http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557744Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557744Cookiemonster13http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557744http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557744.xmlFor entertainment value, let me throw this &quot;ridculous&quot; question out, what if the person choose to wear nothing, do you think it’s ok? Goodman, you made me laugh a lot. No, I think it is an exaggration and really disturbing.But of course someone could think differently.http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557735Thu, 21 May 2009 15:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557735Goodman14http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557735http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557735.xmlFor entertainment value, let me throw this &quot;ridculous&quot; question out, what if the person choose to wear nothing, do you think it’s ok? It seems to me the meaning of “liberty” varies a great deal here on this forum. In some countries even today, liberty, civil or personal, does not exist. Here in America , a lot of people who came form another land are screaming about the deprivation liberty and rights, and how bad we are as a nation, shut up and recollect how “good” you had it in your own land. I am from another land and there is not enough words in my vocabulary to show my gratitude to this grate nation. It’s not without problems. I must admit. Has anyone noticed, where on earth can you find so many poor and overweigh...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557731Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557731Cookiemonster15http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557731http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557731.xmlYes, that is not America. Does it make difference? I just mentioned a case which ignores personal liberty. I also strongly advocate that a person should have a right to choose what s/he wears. I chose the example in Turkey. If one wants to wear headscarf she should, if not nobody has a right to force her. I found the words you used a bit offensive like &quot; dehumanization&quot;. And I touched on Islam to explain that Islam has&#39;t an aim to dehumanize people. Edit. sorry I sent this twicehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557730Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557730Goodman16http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557730http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557730.xmlCome to Russia and see by your own eyes what exists here and what does not (because you won&#39;t believe me if I say that liberty does exist here). But Russia doesn&#39;t want the same liberty and justice as in Iraq and Yugoslavia. [/quote I have no future plan nor interest as yet to visit Russia . But If one is doing the finger pointing, he need sto make sure he himself is not guilty. What do you call the recent unfolding events? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4551488.ece Is this what you consider “liberty and justice” Russia style”? US has no intent to occupy Iraq, nor conspiracy to take over the oil, which by the way should be considered to a certain degree as the billions are mountinghttp://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557729Thu, 21 May 2009 15:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557729Cookiemonster17http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557729http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557729.xmlYes, that is not America.Does it make difference? I just mentioned a case which ignores personal liberty. I also strongly advocate that a person must have a right to choose what s/he wears. If one wants to wear headscarf she should even at university, if not nobody has a right to force her to wear it. I just found the words you wrote like &quot;dehumanization&quot; a bit offensive to many covered people and I touched on Islam in order to explain that Islam doesn&#39;t have a aim to dehumanize people.http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557724Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557724shaved18http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557724http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557724.xmlIn my country unfortunately it is forbidden to enter universities with headscarf. That&#39;s not America, is it? I went to school with a lot of women who wore head scarves. The point I make is not about Islam. The point I make is about personal liberty. You honestly take offense to my insistence that it is a person&#39;s right to choose what they wear? I highly doubt it.http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557719Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557719Cookiemonster19http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557719http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557719.xmlMuslim women will never persuade me that it is right to force them to do, wear, or say anything because it is never right to force innocent people to dehumanize themselves and cut them off from the right to express themselves through their clothing . Educated Muslim women who have immigrated to western free nations, for the most part, give up the hijab. Even those who don&#39;t give it uphave to admit that the fact that it becomes THEIR CHOICE is the important thing. Hi shaved, Sorry I know I am off topic , but I really felt the need to say a few thing s about these sentences. . I don&#39;t wear headscarf myself but my sister does. In my country unfortunately it is forbidden to enter universities with headscarf.( It is a great...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557716Thu, 21 May 2009 15:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557716shaved20http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557716http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557716.xmlWe want to live in freindship with Georgians and Ukrainians. They have always lived near by and lived in friendship. Why come here and tell them what is wrong and right? stay at home and welocome those who want to live your way. wrong Russia conquered them 200 years ago. They were brutally oppressed until 1991. You call that friendship? Now I&#39;m wondering what your definition of liberty is. Since that time, they have been courting the west and structuring their societies in ways that promote individual liberty. When someone tries to stop that, you had better count on the US getting involved. America doesn&#39;t stay home when we have a job to do. Those who wanted it - they had gone to the US. And let them live happily. Why tell...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557715Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557715shaved21http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/13/gwqpd/Post.htm#557715http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557715.xmlIt doesn&#39;t matter. Translation is a translation, but you have no chance to read it in origin, while so &quot;badly informed&quot; Russians and Chinese do have that chance. They don&#39;t get to read the AP, Rueters, Jpost, or thousands of other sources without them being first vetted by the government. If you somehow missed it, China exports products to ALL OVER THE WORLD including Europe and Russia. China won&#39;t ruin if the &quot;American consumer&quot; collapses. The US is by far their largest customer. This doesn&#39;t excuse the extirpation (or maybe it&#39;s better to say - genocide?) made against the small nation named American Indians. First of all, it wasn&#39;t one nation. It was hundreds of small nations. While...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557712Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557712shaved22http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557712http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557712.xmlThe problem is that many of other countries see fredom and democracy differently - they want to live their own peaceful lives and not be taught how to live American way. We don&#39;t invade people who are living peacefully and allowing their citizens to live peaceful, productive, free lives. We don&#39;t export our ideas of liberty at the end of a gun unless someone else&#39;s liberty was taken from them by the same methods. When we invade, we don&#39;t force people to adopt our constitution. They write their own. Those who wanted it - they had gone to the US. And let them live happily. Why tell the others how to live? Why tell us to do this or that American style? Tell that to the North Korean peasants who know nothing other than...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557709Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557709Ruslana23http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557709http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557709.xmlI read their official English translations. It doesn&#39;t matter. Translation is a translation, but you have no chance to read it in origin, while so &quot;badly informed&quot; Russians and Chinese do have that chance. Our currency is no longer backed by the gold or silver standards. Do you know what backs the dollar now? I&#39;m afraid, it&#39;s nothing. I bet you&#39;ll say now I&#39;m wrong, won&#39;t you? The American economy is the American consumer. If you somehow missed it, China exports products to ALL OVER THE WORLD including Europe and Russia. China won&#39;t ruin if the &quot;American consumer&quot; collapses. Please correct me if I made you out wrong: the greatest liberty experiment of humanity started from the...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557708Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557708Dew 200724http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557708http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557708.xmlI think the main problem of misunderstanding here is the fact that we understand the term &quot;democratic&quot; differently. in fact our American friends  try to peruade us that American democracyand freedom is the best. The problem is that many of other countries see fredom and democracy differently - they want to live their own peaceful lives and not be taught how to live American way. Those who wanted it - they had gone to the US. And let them live happily. Why tell the others how to live? Why tell us to do this or that American style? We want to live in freindship with Georgians and Ukrainians. They have always lived near by and lived in friendship. Why come here and tell them what is wrong and right? stay at home and welocome those...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557706Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:51 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557706Ruslana25http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557706http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557706.xmlWhat about the national debt? For crying out loud, what does it have to do with liberty and justice. Hmm... It does have something to do with liberty and justice. I would think that a country that can&#39;t pay off her debts can hardly be considered liberated... it wholly depends on creditors... and moreover... such a country can hardly bring any liberty and justice to the rest of the world... It doesn’t take a genius to ask a lot of questions, but it does take someone with a broader view of the world and common senses to as ask the relevant and sensible questions. I&#39;m not pretending to be a genius. I ask questions to find answers that I yet don&#39;t know. And if I may point out, do liberty and justice have the same...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557699Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557699shaved26http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557699http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557699.xmlDo you mean that you (as the USA government, as you claimed) have already got rid of the system of second-votes , and now every USA citizen can participate in a DIRECT election of the president? dual federalist system federal republic look up those concepts pleasehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557697Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557697shaved27http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557697http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557697.xmlI love this topic. What sources of information made you think so? Look at per capita income around the world. Look at internet access around the world. Look at the billions of people in rural China, rural Russia, rural Africa and tell me that their poverty isn&#39;t so bad. What about the millions in rural India, the former Burma, and hundreds of other countries? You really don&#39;t see the vast disparity in wealth? You don&#39;t see the abject poverty? You don&#39;t see the seemingly insurmountable barriers? Do you know Russian &amp; Chinese languages fluently to have a possibility of reading and watching Russian (Chinese) mass media directly? I read their official English translations. I know how their information systems work....http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557696Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557696Ruslana28http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557696http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557696.xmlWhen you tell me that you like Americans but not their government, what you&#39;re really saying is this: &quot;I feel sorry for you that you have to live under a terribly oppressive regime that acts in your name without your approval. &quot; My response is this: &quot;You realy don&#39;t understand how this country works, do you?&quot; Wait, wait a minute, maybe I&#39;ve missed something... Do you mean that you (as the USA government, as you claimed) have already got rid of the system of second-votes , and now every USA citizen can participate in a DIRECT election of the president?http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557695Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557695Goodman29http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557695http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557695.xmlIt’s quite eye-opening reading the threads in this forum. If we do a number counts, Ben, you and I are the only ones from the US , and so coincidently from the same state who are calling it like as we see it. What about the national debt? For crying out loud, what does it have to do with liberty and justice. And if I may point out, do liberty and justice have the same meaning in Russia , if they existt at all? It doesn’t take a genius to ask a lot of questions, but it does take someone with a broader view of the world and common senses to as ask the relevant and sensible questions. We have problems with our government and the politicians who are supposed to represent us as US citizens, in fact, a lot of problems. I would...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557693Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557693Ruslana30http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/12/gwqpd/Post.htm#557693http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557693.xmlThere is no argument, the US today is very different than a decade ago in many aspects. Of course it&#39;s A LOT different. From the enormous external debt point of view, at least. Each new-born American owes various external creditors (that are mainly China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and Europe) about 30,000 dollars. For comparison - each new-born Russian owes various external creditors about 800 dollars.http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557692Thu, 21 May 2009 15:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557692Ruslana31http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557692http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557692.xmlThe vast majority of the world lives in the worst kind of abject poverty you can imagine. What sources of information made you think so? The &#39;informed&#39; in Russia, China, and a few other nations with similar information structures are still massively ignorant by western standards because the media available to them is filtered, cleansed, and sanitised. By this measure, they are not free, they are not informed, and they are not given the rights and freedoms they deserve as human beings. Do you know Russian &amp; Chinese languages fluently to have a possibility of reading and watching Russian (Chinese) mass media directly? Was extirpating of the American Indians (the Reds, native inhabitants of North America) a part of this...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557687Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557687Goodman32http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557687http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557687.xmlThere is no argument, the US today is very different than a decade ago in many aspects. Because of the progressive elements which most of us have an idea who they are, we have lost a lot of American pride, culture, language and border. If you don’t see it, how about allowing me to give a few examples. We have DMV applicants who obtained licenses without knowing basic English and worse yet with fake identity. Do we have border problems, besides health care and education costs . Oh yeah, the word “tolerance” has been tossed about a lot in recent years. What that mean is changing our way of life to accommodate the demands of the progressive movements. Remember the middle eastern woman applying for a driver’s license in Miami ...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557685Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557685shaved33http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557685http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557685.xmlDon&#39;t make me laugh. Don&#39;t you remember how it was done&amp; Both Saakashvilli and Yushchenko lost the elections/ then they blamed the commissions of not being right and unleashed the unrest in the country and finally somehow the number of votes changed. There must have been a lot of money spent on bribery...Neither Ukraine nor Georgia had it. I wonder whose they were? It&#39;s not a laughing matter. The authoritarian, Russian-backed governments fell apart, and elections were held. The Russians tried to assasinate Yushchenko with poison, if you don&#39;t remember. They failed. Their attempt to derail the process and rig the elections came under immense scrutiny from around the world. International mediators and observers came...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557681Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557681Dew 200734http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557681http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557681.xmlWere those the will of the Ukrainian and Georgian people? Don&#39;t make me laugh. Don&#39;t you remember how it was done&amp; Both Saakashvilli and Yushchenko lost the elections/ then they blamed the commissions of not being right and unleashed the unrest in the country and finally somehow the number of votes changed. There must have been a lot of money spent on bribery...Neither Ukraine nor Georgia had it. I wonder whose they were?http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557678Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557678shaved35http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557678http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557678.xmlI must agree that Shaved is not talking about the present situation of the world but about the situation at least 15 years ago. I&#39;m not excluding Iraq from what I said (or any other action for that matter). The US has not taken a wrong turn on our road to liberty and justice for all. We&#39;ve just hit a rough spot on the road itself.http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557676Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557676shaved36http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557676http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557676.xmlI do not have anything against Americans themselves (American people, American citizens, American national pride, American flag, North America continent, dollar, the American English, and all other stuff like that related to America! ) but I simply don&#39;t like the USA government actions, along with Bush &amp; Condoleezza Rice, and their puppets such as Saakashvili &amp; Yushchenko? I&#39;m sorry you feel that way. But here&#39;s something that a lot of the world doesn&#39;t understand about freedom, liberty, and representation. I am an American. I am my government. When you tell me that you like Americans but not their government, what you&#39;re really saying is this: &quot;I feel sorry for you that you have to live under a...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557675Thu, 21 May 2009 15:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557675Dew 200737http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557675http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557675.xmlThe &#39;informed&#39; in Russia, China, and a few other nations with similar information structures are still massively ignorant by western standards because the media available to them is filtered, cleansed, and sanitised. In the last few days filters were really working the different way. In all your words I can understand a very important thing - You are too sure in your superiority - and whatever is said to contradict it will not be accepted as you are the best, the greatest, the ...-est in the world and you think that only you are right. because all the rest are so MINOR, so IGNORANT of liberty and freedom that they may be killed, just because they don&#39;t suit your theory... Thanks for your explanation.http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557669Thu, 21 May 2009 15:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557669shaved38http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557669http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557669.xmlWhat made you think that your human brothers and sisters suffer from the ignorance and oppression? The vast majority of the world lives in the worst kind of abject poverty you can imagine. That poverty is imposed upon them through violence and leads to terrible ignorance, as they don&#39;t have access to quality libraries, the internet, or affordable education. Many of those who live above that poverty line outside of the West live in nations in which the free press doesn&#39;t have access. State-run news agencies in nations where opposition journalists disappear in the dead of night or are imprisoned for speaking their minds do not count as legitimate sources of information. They are obvious propaganda machines. The &#39;informed&#39;...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557662Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557662shaved39http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/11/gwqpd/Post.htm#557662http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557662.xmlok, didn&#39;t expect such a response to what I posted... I&#39;ll try to handle each reaction one at a time. It&#39;s quite all right when we speak of liberty. And the law. Unfortunately the US politics tries to IMPOSE its kind of liberty on other nations and thinks it&#39;s the only way it should be. But the Americal understanding of liberty is not the only for all the people. I remember the thread where we tried to speak about the Muslim women having to wear hijab... We thought it wrong. But our Muslim women persuaded us that it&#39;s all right with them and they are happy. Muslim women will never persuade me that it is right to force them to do, wear, or say anything because it is never right to force innocent people to dehumanize...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557583Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557583sanycool440http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557583http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557583.xmlHello Ruslana, Yes I sustained ur words...Am also same like.. I hate bush&#39;s rule because of Iraq..How many innocent people had been died. How many US military people had been died and finally did he get ?http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557569Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557569Ruslana41http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557569http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557569.xmlLoL Laywee But come oooooon, how many times shall I repeat that I do not have anything against Americans themselves (American people, American citizens, American national pride, American flag, North America continent, dollar, the American English, and all other stuff like that related to America! ) but I simply don&#39;t like the USA government actions, along with Bush &amp; Condoleezza Rice, and their puppets such as Saakashvili &amp; Yushchenko? I&#39;ll consider adding this red line to my profile or signature to avoid any further misunderstanding and misinterpretations.http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557559Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557559Lawyee42http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557559http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557559.xmlOh, my god, Ruslana joined this thread, beware, you Americans! I must agree that Shaved is not talking about the present situation of the world but about the situation at least 15 years ago. The more I have to stress that not only the world has changed since then but also America has changed. Despite the fact that your words sound glorious, they do not reflect the world nowadays...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557539Thu, 21 May 2009 15:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557539Ruslana43http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557539http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557539.xmlHey Shaved, Nice reasoning. I just have a couple of questions. As part of this, the goal of this nation is to liberate our human brothers and sisters from the ignorance and oppression that dominate the vast majority of the planet. What made you think that your human brothers and sisters suffer from the ignorance and oppression? Our strength ( economic and military)... Has the USA government already paid off its enormous external debt of over 9 billion dollars (for comparison, the USA GDP averaged 13 billion dollars in 2006) and solved its problem of being insolvent ? The United States of America is the single greatest experiment in liberty ever undertaken by humanity. ... We must respond so that small, free nations aren&#39;t...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557471Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557471Dew 200744http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557471http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557471.xmlIt&#39;s quite all right when we speak of liberty. And the law. Unfortunately the US politics tries to IMPOSE its kind of liberty on other nations and thinks it&#39;s the only way it should be. But the Americal understanding of liberty is not the only for all the people. I remember the thread where we tried to speak about the Muslim women having to wear hijab... We thought it wrong. But our Muslim women persuaded us that it&#39;s all right with them and they are happy. Why think that everything US politicians do is right and was always right? I&#39;d rather stick to the opinion that everything US do has got only one purpose - to support the interests of the US everywhere. Every country pursues such a policy. What I am really against of...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557362Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557362Avangi45http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557362http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557362.xmlso that small, free nations aren&#39;t swallowed by larger powers and so their systems of liberty and justice aren&#39;t trampled by systems of oppression and injustice. Hi shaved. Your post is inspirational. I feel guilty in detracting from it in any way. I only wish there were some way to promote liberty and justice abroad without paying such a heavy price in the loss of liberty and justice at home (the misnamed Patriot Act, the new reactionary supremes, etc.). - A.http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557357Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557357Goodman46http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557357http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557357.xmlDude! what powerful piece this is. I couldn&#39;t have said it better. So to the point and so true. The problem is there are plenty of Americans as well as free radicals from other countries who don&#39;t see that. Here is to you!http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557336Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557336shaved47http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557336http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557336.xmlAt the risk of sounding like I haven&#39;t read the preceding 10 pages (which, honestly, I have not), I&#39;d like to state my reasoning for the US sticking it&#39;s nose in everyone&#39;s business. I&#39;ll try to keep this as simple as possible without pointing fingers at other countries specifically. The United States of America is the single greatest experiment in liberty ever undertaken by humanity. As part of this, the goal of this nation is to liberate our human brothers and sisters from the ignorance and oppression that dominate the vast majority of the planet. The US, joined in the last 40 years or so by a number of other Western-style governments, has stood as a pillar of hope and strength for those around the world who...http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557279Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557279Cool Breeze48http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/10/gwqpd/Post.htm#557279http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557279.xmlThanks, CB. As soon as I saw the sports reference I knew I was wrong. Don&#39;t count on my English, Avangi! I&#39;m just a student of the language and my knowledge of it will never equal that of an educated native speaker. My English will always be inferior to my Finnish. I make lots of mistakes, and, being eager to learn more, I&#39;m grateful to anyone who points out a mistake for me. English is an interesting language in that lots and lots of fixed collocations and phrases are used and consequently any deviation from them may sound odd - and may of course be wrong as well. As I said, some consider substitute ... with wrong. Cheers, CBhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/9/gwqpd/Post.htm#557269Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:52 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557269Goodman49http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsIntervention/9/gwqpd/Post.htm#557269http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-557269.xmlCB, I am not advocating what US has done right and certainly not justifying the decision to go to war with Saddam, not the Iraqi people. What is your point? With your logic, US should be going to war with every oil rich country? Iran and Iraq had been trying to overtake one another over the past 4 decades. What the US was doing was to make sure these two countries were never to stay on same side. So the US was playing friend with both countries at different time. We are not the “think tank” and by that statement we certainly won’t know what was planned before the invasion. “Stabilizing” is a vague term in my opinion. We can never stabilize the Middle East as it’s always a hot spot for friction and invasion...