http://www.englishforums.com/English/ControversialTopics/Forum28.htm<font color=red>This entire section is moderated</font><br> Dedicated to continual re-education and our search for a broader understanding of life. Please register if you wish to post here.enXMOD (Build: 3616.28671)http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#484881Mon, 25 May 2009 16:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:484881chikei19840http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#484881http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-484881.xmlYou are right that no one have right to take away others’ life, included an unborn baby. It is always true statement. However, my point of view is no parents want to kill their unborn baby, but they have to. Some of the reason is abortion is the best way to them and baby both. It seems ridiculous and unacceptable to humanist and religion followers. Opposite to them, I merely want to answer a question, ‘ Is it the best way to let a baby born? ’ It doesn ’ t have absolute answer for it. We should consider their condition during we are talking moral statement. We can speak anything loudly, as we are not standing inside.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#481356Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:481356nona the brit1http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#481356http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-481356.xmlPeople here are speaking as though abortions are done on late-stage pregnancies - these are legal in very few countries and even then only happen occassionally. Most abortions are nothing like this.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#481164Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:481164Anonymous2http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#481164http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-481164.xmlTHE BABY(not paracite or any other stupid name you have to call it) is so alive, they feel, when the doctors pull their arms off they feel it because they twinge and they feel pain. The abortionist&#39;s know it too, But the sick *** could careless!!! they all need to be put in jail for murder as far as i&#39;m concerned!! its horrible!! when a doctor was doing sugery on a mother while she was pregnan, the baby reached out and grabbed the doctors finger!!! its alive, its a human, it feels, it doesn&#39;t deserve to be painfully killed or even killed because some amature couldn&#39;t keep their *** on!!! its not the babies fault, but in the end their the ones that have to be chopped up, or have its limbs pulled off, or its brain turned...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#476569Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:476569Anonymous3http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#476569http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-476569.xmlU HAV THE RIGHT !http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#456602Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:456602Amanar4http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#456602http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-456602.xmlhi everybody, i think there are rules and punishment all over the world about killing someone (either a child or an adult). enven if the punishment isn't the same from country to another, but there is punishment , and it's recognized to be a crime, so why some people believe that abortion is not killing? the embryo is alive from a certain phase! i admit that there might be big problems for the woman or her family, but that desen't give us the right to take out his/her life; so if i feel that someone is going to make my life hard for example, will i go and kill him and even if i do won't i be punished?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#444692Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:444692Anonymous5http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#444692http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-444692.xmlSo what you are saying is that you would walk up to a person in a coma on life support and stick scissors in their head and suck their brains out, and that would be okay, since they "are not actually alive in this world" ? You are a sick person, and have also been brainwashed. You didn't choose to put this life here, what gives you the right to take it away?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#440104Mon, 25 May 2009 16:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:440104Saltukhan6http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#440104http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-440104.xmlyes i am a man and i cant understand the "abortion" event, thing, whatever. Abortion is killing babies. abortion is killing ethic. is a disaster. we have to prevent it. if you are pregnant but you dont want to have a baby then its too late and killing the baby is not the solution. now you have to stop, stand and think about it put your lights on and do not cause to have a baby which you dont want DONT KILL YOUR BABY.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#434959Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:434959Anonymous7http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/17/mvcp/Post.htm#434959http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-434959.xmlDo you have a right? Well, that depends on a lot of things. In a constitutional sense, in the U.S., “No.” In the U.S., no such “constitutional” right actually exists -- no matter what any politically corrupted justice says. The fact is, there is no such thing as a “constitutional” right to have an abortion any more than there is a “constitutional” right to wear your hat any way you please. Any right not enumerated and retained by the people (amendment 9) exists only so long as an individual State (by the consent of the People from where all power is derived) does not legislate a denial of that right. So, can a State constitutionally make abortion illegal in that State? Yes. It is their constitutional right; for, all rights not enumerated...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#433201Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:433201Anonymous8http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#433201http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-433201.xmlit should not matter weather you have a strict family or not... if someone is responsible enough to have sex and get pregnant, then they need to be responsible enough to have a child...There are plenty of families out there who can not have children of their own, and need to adopt inorder to have a family. Abortion is MURDER... bottom line!!!http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#413410Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:413410La Rose9http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#413410http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-413410.xmlnothing can make it available it's prohipted in all religion &amp; in all caseshttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#410772Mon, 25 May 2009 16:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:410772Hemavich10http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#410772http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-410772.xmlAbortion is an embittering problem specially in the civilized societies. and i think it could not be a right or validity to deprive someone else of his/her life simply because it is not the fault of the baby at all. and it is the error of the girl and this careless man. what is worth pausing here is that we should face the factors lead to this phenomenon; which are the illegal sex relationships and rape (sexual assault), which are forbidden and prohibted in all religions.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#404749Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:404749La Rose11http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#404749http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-404749.xmlits prohipted there is no reason make this crime acceptedhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#400044Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:400044Anonymous12http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#400044http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-400044.xmlif these r realy yo parents u have to respect them, no matter hw unfairly they seem to be.... remember "no them, no you"... !!!!!!!http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#387424Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:387424Titithi13http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#387424http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-387424.xmlDear Gramma, I have the same opinion with Jane. It's not your fault if you were pregnant ( at this age:You don't tell us when you're pregnant but people used to be pregnant at the beginning of the menopause and should have an abortion). You're really conservative and very religious. it's not good to be "die hard' in this new millennium. Mifepristone and Misoprostone were sold with a large amount so who can count how many cases of this trouble? Let's imagine if you give a baby , will you be certain it is a normal infant? Have you read Pearl Buck? Do you understand why the wife asked willingly a young peasant for her husband's concubine when she was over forty and saw her husband goes to the brothel? Today , we could have sex at the age...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#384137Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:384137Jane Greco14http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#384137http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-384137.xmlWell,you have made yourself perfectly clear,Gramma. In country where I live at the moment abortions are legal, as well as the pills ,and availiable almost everywhere. On the contrary,streets are packed with dirty and hungry 5-4 y.o selling water,begging and pocketpicking. More 'succsessfull' lil ones work until 1 am in family buisnesses- cleaning,cooking and doing other dirty jobs. I don't think beeing an unwanted child is a great feeling , as most of them are. Call me selfish, but I believe it's better to have a child when YOU are ready( both mentally and finansially) to provide a quality upbringing.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#382237Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:382237Gramma15http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#382237http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-382237.xmlYou are right that it depends on when you believe human life starts. And that depends on your foundational belief about who we are. If you believe there is a Creator, (as you don't), then you believe that human life begins at conception. That is the beginning of the path for your life. That is where YOU begin. All your DNA, all your genes, all your 'scripting' is already there at that instant. Then there is an intelligence in there that makes you travel and cling to your support system while YOU grow. No one is adding anything more to you. This is YOUR life path and you, at this point are at the v ery beginning of your life and development. We go through many stages in life....we first are this cell that divides and divides ...and it...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#370382Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:370382Jane Greco16http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/16/mvcp/Post.htm#370382http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-370382.xmlThose angry guys protesting against abortions must have double standarts: It doesn't occur to them to think about it when they are trying to seduce an underage , or dragging their drunk girlfriend into a friend's car , or convincing someone to have sex without a condom , and then they just shrug their shoulders and say ' OH, no way!!!It can't be MY baby!!!' and run for the hills away from responsibility , I am not saying it's all their fault,there are plenty of irresponsible girls as well, But when men will be capable of giving birth, then I will definitely listen to their opinion regarding abortions and rights .http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#368086Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:368086Anonymous17http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#368086http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-368086.xmlI am very young, yet i might be pregnant. My mom and tell me i have to have an abortion, (If i am). Do they really have the right to tell me what I have to do with my body? It just dosn't seem fair,http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#365745Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:365745Anonymous18http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#365745http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-365745.xmlWell I have a favor to ask of all of you who think the answer to the question of abortion is so cut and dried and that it isn't an acceptable option; Can you please send me the money to raise my unborn child? I will be 18 weeks on Thursday. I have an 11 year old and since I had back surgery about 2 years ago, I have barely enough money to take care of both of us and in my late 30's had to move in with my mother and step-father! The father of my unborn child wants nothing to do with us. We have always used protection and still got pregnant. I am very torn as to my choices since he has just informed me that does'nt want another child! I already have one to take care of. Do I hurt the one I love or do I hurt the one I don't even know yet? ...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#364140Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:364140Titithi19http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#364140http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-364140.xmlThe laws concerning abortion always change. In reality, there is no way to know how many illegal pregnancy termination were performed. However, only the incidence of patient hospitalized for complete and septic pregnancy termination could be numbered. The maternal mortally from illegal induced abortion still occurs. In some countries, the majority of people believe pregnancy termination procedures should be available to women but a vociferous minority has led to the recent limitation placed on availability of pregnancy termination procedures by the courts and the states legislature. In others, law regarding consent for abortion if age&lt;18. However, the general population used to be against the avaibility of pregnancy termination...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#362379Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:362379Anonymous20http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#362379http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-362379.xmlShortly after I had turned 15 I became pregnate. To some 20 year old drug addict. I can't even begin to explain the feelings I experienced on my own. It was my secret. I thought look I'm 15 I can't decided the fate of my life. I can't have a baby I'm a child and I could never tell my parents. Well I said abortion this guy jumped right on my uneducated decison and had it all figured out. He was getting clean not to be a parent to get a job to pay his father back for this. His father girlfriend would pose as my mother and my parents wouldnt have to find out. I got online to see how it was done and thats when it all unfolded. There was a baby inside of me not a fetus. It's inhumane just google the image of fetus or aborted baby and maybe...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#288805Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:288805Anonymous21http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#288805http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-288805.xmlI agree 100% I dont believe anyone should have the chocie to kill another human being. Abortions have never caused anything good and never will,so why do we keep doing it? I have a personal idea that docters know that its wrong yet they continue to do so because they have no feelings for an unborn child. Everyone should have a chance at life,no matter how old/young they are. -Abigail Kemalyan 12 year old student of Millswood Middle Schoolhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#285999Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:285999Anonymous22http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#285999http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-285999.xmlok so here's something for you to think about does life end when u are no longer in this world or does it end when ur buried just an example. life can't really begin at conception can it? it begins at birth becuz if there is no heart beat on your own you're not alive just as if you aren't breathing on your own you aren't alive think of it like this. if you took a person from this earth today what would that consist of? and is that what you're really doing by having an abortion? no it's not. you aren't taking a living being from this earth, you're not taking their life. you're simply ending the growth of a human body that is to become a life if you so choose. so how can you say just because the majority of people choose to give birth, the...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#273417Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:273417nona the brit23http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#273417http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-273417.xmlHmmm, not exactly unbiased information is it. And not exactly accurate either. Anyone who wants to believe this stuff may wish to think about this statement as one of the most obviously ridiculous even to those without much medical knowledge. "15 weeks - The fetus has an adult's taste buds and may be able to savor the mother's meals". Right, because we can all taste the 'food' that is in our blood supply, can't we... Imagine your blood supply was linked up with someone else's. A direct blood transfusion. The other person starts chewing gum. Do you think you can now taste mint on your tongue? Like I said, ridiculous. So if they are willing to make daft statements about something that is not even relevant to their...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#273317Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:273317Anonymous24http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#273317http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-273317.xmlAbortion didn't used to bother me that much. Until one day, out of curiosity, I decided to look up abortion methods. Once I read about them I was horrified. http://www.lifesite.net/abortiontypes/ Sure, a woman has the right to do whatever she wants. But, except in the case of rape, a woman chose to have sex. Ok so there's the pill, and condoms to protect you. But what most women don't realize is that the only was to stay 100% protected against the risk of pregnancy is abstience. So then the woman has to make a choice. Either to kill her baby using on the various methods mentioned on the website, or give her baby up for adoption. I know that's hard. But if a woman really loves her baby, she'll want him/her to have the best life possible.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#273210Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:273210Anonymous25http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/15/mvcp/Post.htm#273210http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-273210.xmli think abortion is wrong and no one should do if i was ever rapped or whatever i would pick adoptionhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#264644Mon, 25 May 2009 16:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:264644Jhumjhum26http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#264644http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-264644.xmlNyla wrote: Anonymous wrote: Of course you have the right to tell her she's killing a human being...don't be ridiculous. What, because the mother has to carry the child that gives her the right to kill? Sorry hun, there is no excuse for murder, it doesn't matter what kind of inconvenience that life will cause. There are options once the child has been born, if the mother doesn't feel up to the responsibility . What option ?Do you want to say the father will take the responsibility? Ahem.. yes (even if for me this doesn't mean to kill,nor a think that a group of cells can be defined as a "child"),I mean,nothing change in male body during a pregnancy,nor his life changes after the birth of the child,if he doesn't want...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#262509Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:262509Welkins213927http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#262509http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-262509.xmlGenerally I think the choice should be made by the mother and father whether or not they want to do abortion. Can a law gets involving this? I really don't know. I think abortion is very complicated issue. you know it takes nine months a baby to be born. There is no right or wrong answer. It is defintily debatable. This is no science that tell you got right anwer or not. It is moral issue. I think it depends on the circumstance whether or not that a girl want to do abortion. There is absoulety no right or wrong answer in my opinion.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#261328Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:261328Nyla28http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#261328http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-261328.xmlAnonymous wrote: Of course you have the right to tell her she's killing a human being...don't be ridiculous. What, because the mother has to carry the child that gives her the right to kill? Sorry hun, there is no excuse for murder, it doesn't matter what kind of inconvenience that life will cause. There are options once the child has been born, if the mother doesn't feel up to the responsibility. Ahem.. yes (even if for me this doesn't mean to kill,nor a think that a group of cells can be defined as a "child"),I mean,nothing change in male body during a pregnancy,nor his life changes after the birth of the child,if he doesn't want to take care of the child ("It's your problem,darling,you give birth to this child,and...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#261212Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:261212monfrancom29http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#261212http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-261212.xmlHow can one justify destroying a "collection of cells" (post 6041), i.e. the "feotus" that would be aborted? Em, are we not all a "collection of cells"? Anticipating your arguments (those who would argue, of course, and we are always there, n'est-ce pas?), you would only show your limited knowledge (fear not, my knowledge is also limited!) by denying equivilating a foetus (collection of cells) and an adult (collection of cells) in its nature. From the time that sperm enters that ovum, it is destined to become what is inscribed within it. This "collection of cells" is alive and knows exactly where it's are going. That is nature. That is natural. If nothing interferes. Deciding if it is human or not, or when is it human, became an...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#261126Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:261126Anonymous30http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#261126http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-261126.xmlOf course you have the right to tell her she's killing a human being...don't be ridiculous. What, because the mother has to carry the child that gives her the right to kill? Sorry hun, there is no excuse for murder, it doesn't matter what kind of inconvenience that life will cause. There are options once the child has been born, if the mother doesn't feel up to the responsibility.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#258464Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:258464monfrancom31http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#258464http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-258464.xmlMy, but it is challenging to address something only half the population will have to face! Because they contribute one cell, men have a right to give their 51 percent worth! What is fair? -Nothing is fair. That be the truth. The offspring will be a child, a human being recognised by all, irrespective of if it has five toes, five fingers, is not blind, etc. I mean, no one will argue that it will be an elephant, a dog or an ourangoutang? Right? I mean this "blob of cells" is not an "alligator", a "horse" or a "rat"? Right? Many... men of the world do not take responsibility for that one cell they donate! Why should she be the only one to face the responsibility (burden?) of raising that child alone? Alone, it is fair that life...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#255614Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:255614Jhumjhum32http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#255614http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-255614.xmlBringing up a child is very difficult and a long term process(As a single mother I know how difficult it is) .So one should think twice before bringing an unwanted child and should take proper measures(But it can't be done in the cases of rape or in the countries where free sex is very much in practice).But bringing a baby in this world and then not giving it a proper name(in cases of love child) or neglecting the child in any aspect is also a sin as abortion (according to me)http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#255377Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:255377Zlhblue33http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#255377http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-255377.xmlNo , the right is belong to rich man, and the power is belong to rich man, the poor have nothing, really?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#241381Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:241381Anonymous34http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/14/mvcp/Post.htm#241381http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-241381.xmlActually, now with endoscopes they show otherwise. A 4 week fetus is the size of a grain of rice and looks like a tadpole, but does have a beating heart. I happen to be 7 weeks along and just had an ultrasound. The size is 13 millimeters, about that of a jellybean. If you look at endoscopic pictures of 7 week old babies, you'll find fingers, toes, a detailed face. It looks very much like a minature baby. I also must say, I miscarried twice, once at 5 weeks and then at six. It's not best to forget about it. If you don't grieve, whether it was by choice or not that you lost your baby, it will always follow you, and yes counselling can be very beneficiary.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#228995Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:228995Anonymous35http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#228995http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-228995.xmlok, Nona the moment when the life begins can't be known based on our decision (as someone stated in post number 225888) or on our opinions (as someone stated in post number 226721) but on verifiable objective proof,/knowledge adquired by study/science. While that proof comes, we don't know if we have a right or we don't. Personally, in that meanwhile, I consider less serious offense to stop a pregnancy result from rape than forcing the girl to continue that pregnancy.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#228977Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:228977Anonymous36http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#228977http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-228977.xmlAnonymous wrote: People make decisions to have unprotected sex and then decide that they don't want to have a baby so they abort it. They need to be responsible for their own actions. Don't you consider having an abortion taking responsibility? Or, do you mean to say that they should not take their own responsibility for their actions, but that they should behave as you moralize that they should?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#228815Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:228815nona the brit37http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#228815http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-228815.xmlCan we get back to the topic now please.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#228811Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:228811Anonymous38http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#228811http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-228811.xmlAnonymous wrote: Anonymous wrote: Opinions and conjecture are unrelated animals. but: opinion, from Latin "opinio" = belief, conjecture If it is your opinion that the words opinion and conjecture are basically interchangeable, and that they have extremely similar connotations, then I suggest that you do some more investigation into their usage. It seems that you opinion here is based on conjecture. That does not man that all opinions are.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#228518Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:228518Anonymous39http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#228518http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-228518.xmlAnonymous wrote: Opinions and conjecture are unrelated animals. but: opinion, from Latin "opinio" = belief, conjecture opinion c.1300, from O.Fr. opinion (12c.), from L. opinionem (nom. opinio) "opinion, conjecture, what one thinks," from stem of opinari "think, judge, suppose, opine," from PIE *op- "to choose." Opinionated "obstinate" is attested from 1601. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=opinion&amp;searchmode=nonehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#228357Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:228357Anonymous40http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#228357http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-228357.xmlAnonymous wrote: Unfortunatelly, opinions are nothing to trust in, whether they are from the user you are quoting, from you, or others. I cannot think what might be the point of this statement. All that we have on this topic are opinions, as science does not provide a definitive determination. I take it, therefore, that this statement is directed toward yourself, such that I wonder how is it that you feel that offering your opinion on this matter offers anything of value, considering as you do that opinions are lacking in value. definition opinion: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn pure conjecture... The first part of this defintihttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#227214Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:227214Anonymous41http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#227214http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-227214.xmlUnfortunatelly, opinions are nothing to trust in, whether they are from the user you are quoting, from you, or others. definition opinion: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn pure conjecture... opinions are useless while objective verified information is valid. Anonymous wrote: Anonymous wrote: by the way we have to decide when life begins before saying that it's a murder to have an abortion.. at the moment of conception, Nyhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#226721Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:226721Anonymous42http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#226721http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-226721.xmlAnonymous wrote: by the way we have to decide when life begins before saying that it's a murder to have an abortion.. at the moment of conception, Nyla It is so nice of you to decide for all of us. Unfortunately, many of us have no interest in adopting your subjective and personal determination. Do you have the ability to recognize that there are many people who do not share your opinion?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#226375Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:226375Anonymous43http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/13/mvcp/Post.htm#226375http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-226375.xmlGuest wrote: It's not the baby's fault is it?! I hate the phrase "pro-choice" when associated with abortion, I don't think that it should be anyone's choice. Why bother to tell us your choice, if you believe that no one, including you, should have a choice?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/12/mvcp/Post.htm#226259Mon, 25 May 2009 16:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:226259Nyla44http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/12/mvcp/Post.htm#226259http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-226259.xmlI disagree..I think that nobody can say when life begins..http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/12/mvcp/Post.htm#226214Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:226214Anonymous45http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/12/mvcp/Post.htm#226214http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-226214.xmlby the way we have to decide when life begins before saying that it's a murder to have an abortion.. at the moment of conception, Nylahttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/12/mvcp/Post.htm#225888Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:225888Nyla46http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/12/mvcp/Post.htm#225888http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-225888.xmlAnonymous wrote: I've heard some people saying that they are for abortion and against death penalty. I think that they aren't consistent in their views. Strange, they feel sorry and protect notorious criminlas and killers and the same people would kill innocent unborn children without bliking an eye. Guys be consitent, at least There are also many people that are against abortion and for death penalty.."Don't kill him now,you can kill him later!"..by the way we have to decide when life begins before saying that it's a murder to have an abortion..http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/12/mvcp/Post.htm#225880Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:225880Anonymous47http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/12/mvcp/Post.htm#225880http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-225880.xmlI've heard some people saying that they are for abortion and against death penalty. I think that they aren't consistent in their views. Strange, they feel sorry and protect notorious criminlas and killers and the same people would kill innocent unborn children without bliking an eye. Guys be consitent, at leasthttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/12/mvcp/Post.htm#225656Mon, 25 May 2009 16:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:225656Anonymous48http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/12/mvcp/Post.htm#225656http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-225656.xmlIn my oppinion abortion isnt right and it isnt wrong, it all depends on you situation.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/12/mvcp/Post.htm#220884Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:39:16 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:220884nona the brit49http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbortionReallyRight/12/mvcp/Post.htm#220884http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments28-220884.xmlWhat is done is done so it is best to try to move on and not think about it. A lot of women have abortions without the slightest regret and those like you, who do find themselves thinking about it, can often benefit from counselling. The clinic or hospital where you had the abortion should offer a post-abortion counselling service where you can go and talk about all your feelings. IF it helps at all, at 7 weeks a fetus is not pea sized or very developed. It is still the size of a grain of rice and looks more like a tadpole or comma than anything else. There are rudimentary marks where features and organs will start developing but still no limbs etc.