http://www.englishforums.com/English/GeneralEnglishVocabularyIdiom-Questions/Forum29.htmHelp with defining words and idioms, and new words and idioms that you've learntenXMOD (Build: 3607.32596)http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#421541Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:421541Jackson66120http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#421541http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-421541.xmlAnonymous wrote: To know the difference between the accident and the incident we need to the definition of each one as per OSHHAS 1881:1999 : Hi Anon, Thanks a lot for the definition. What does OSHHAS 1881:1999 mean?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#421499Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:421499Anonymous1http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#421499http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-421499.xmlGents, To know the difference between the accident and the incident we need to the definition of each one as per OSHHAS 1881:1999: Accident Undesired event giving rise to death, ill health, injury, damage or other loss Incident Event that gave rise to an accident or had the potential to lead to an accident. NOTE An incident where no ill health, injury, damage, or other loss occurs is also referred to as a “near-miss”. The term “incident” includes “near-misses”. Hop that will answer the question.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#351117Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:351117Grammar Geek2http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#351117http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-351117.xmlYes, in that case, he's saying that the incident was actually an accident, so "was" is okay.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#351052Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:351052Jackson66123http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#351052http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-351052.xmlCalifJim wrote: 3. I wouldn't call an incident an accident unless it were an accident! CJ There is no doubt that CJ is correct. I'm just trying to know the reason. I know were is used instead of was when we have a situation contrary to fact/reality. Couldn't it be said: I wouldn't call an incident an accident unless it was an accident!?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#137119Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:137119davkett4http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#137119http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-137119.xmlWell, it's pretty simple for me. Traffic accidents, to use Clive's example, have a cause, and for that reason should, perhaps, not be called accidents. They are accidental in the sense that noone involved had an intent , but they are not accidental in the sense that there was no cause for what happened (a driver ran a stoplight while looking the other way). It was not accidental that the city of New Orleans was flooded, but was caused by the difference between the force of Katrina and the resistance forces of the levees. The shape of a cloud is not accidental, but the result of laws we can barely understand. Someone wets the bed accidentally in the sense that there was no intent to wet the bed, but not in the sense that...http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#137102Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:137102meantolearn5http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#137102http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-137102.xmlHi Clive&Dave, This is getting very interesting, but I'm lost somewhere. Clive wrote: "The word 'accident' is seen as 'accepting the incident' as something that could not have been prevented." 1. Please elaborate further or give some examples. Dave wrote: "...because there are some folks, in more places than Canada, who will say that there is no such thing as an accident (in the sense of an effect without a cause). The least we can agree on is that there are other causes for effects than intent. " 2. Please elaborate further or give some examples. Thanks,http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#137091Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:137091davkett6http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/2/bkjhq/Post.htm#137091http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-137091.xmlWell, Clive, we may have to suddenly get philosophical on this, because there are some folks, in more places than Canada, who will say that there is no such thing as an accident (in the sense of an effect without a cause). The least we can agree on is that there are other causes for effects than intent.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#137090Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:137090Clive7http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#137090http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-137090.xmlHi, I understand the definition of an accident as something that happens outside of intent. However, I think a definition should also include the meaning of 'something that happens without an apparent cause'. In Canada, as elsewhere, we speak of traffic accidents.However, an interesting, alternative approach is proposed by some people here. They maintain that we should not speak of traffic accidents because there is usually or perhaps always a reason for the accident. The word 'accident' is seen as 'accepting the incident' as something that could not have been prevented. Best wishes, Clivehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#137075Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:137075davkett8http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#137075http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-137075.xmlAn accident is something that happens outside of intent. An incident simply refers to something that has happened intentionally or not. Wetting the bed is both an incident and an accident. Throwing oneself in front of a train is an incident, not an accident. Falling in front of a train is both an incident and an accident. All accidents can be considered incidents, but all incidents cannot be considered accidents. Incontinence is a medical condition, not an event. Therefore it can properly be called neither incidental nor accidental. But an instance of (an occurrence of) incontinence is both an incident (an event that occurred) and an accident (an unintentional event).http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#137073Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:137073meantolearn9http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#137073http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-137073.xmlI happened to read a medical definition related to the use of accident. incontinence - unexpected sudden leaking or wetting accidents. So, does that sound odd to you if I call incontinence an incidence? Probably someone needs to give more detailed distinctions between an accident and incident if it does. Thanks, _________ 4. Yes. I would say so, if you mean this in the sense that accidents are a subset of incidents. CJ's comments.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#135781Fri, 22 May 2009 20:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:135781CalifJim10http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#135781http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-135781.xmlYes, "police euphemism"! Here, too. That's a good way to explain it.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#135710Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:135710MrPedantic11http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#135710http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-135710.xmlFairly regularly. Suicides, mostly. If you've ever travelled on an English train, you'll understand why. MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#135485Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:135485pieanne12http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#135485http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-135485.xmlDoes that kind of "incident" often happen in GB?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#135442Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:135442MrPedantic13http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#135442http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-135442.xml"Incident" has an air of "police euphemism" over here. Station announcers use it too. Your train may be delayed "due to an incident at Clapham Junction". This usually means that someone has jumped in front of a train. (More explicit announcers will say "due to a person under a train at Clapham Junction", as if the person just happened to be there.) MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#135413Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:135413CalifJim14http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htm#135413http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-135413.xml1. An incident is in general something that happens. A drive-by shooting on the freeway is an incident, but not an accident. 2. I believe police reports might call a car accident an incident, but it's not the most common way to refer to it. 3. I wouldn't call an incident an accident unless it were an accident! 4. Yes. I would say so, if you mean this in the sense that accidents are a subset of incidents. CJhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htmWed, 22 Apr 2009 20:15:35 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:135387meantolearn15http://www.englishforums.com/English/AccidentVsIncident/bkjhq/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments29-135387.xmlaccident vs. incident "7:13 PM 09/08/05 Incident Freewy 123 Northbound after YY RD Accident: SOLO CAR CRASH, BLOCKING THE LEFT LANE " 1. What's the difference between a (traffic) incident and accident? 2. Can you call a car accident an incident? 3. Can you call an incident an accident? 4. Is it true that an accident is an incident but not vice versa? Thanks,