http://www.englishforums.com/English/FrequentlyAskedEnglishQuestions-AnswersArchivedPosts/Forum31.htmArea designed to store the most commonly asked questions and their accepted answers.enXMOD (Build: 3607.32596)http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/2/clnzv/Post.htm#226796Fri, 22 May 2009 02:37:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:226796CalifJim0http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/2/clnzv/Post.htm#226796http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments31-226796.xmlSo the schwa could adopt any of the 5 sounds of the vowels, right? No. You may have misunderstood. (Or maybe you've written something there that isn't exactly what you mean.) There are 5 vowel graphs (vowel letters) - six if you count 'y', but 14 vowel sounds. The schwa can have any sound similar to the i , the u , or the oo as described above, but not other sounds. So no, the schwa cannot adopt (or take on) the sound of any vowel. But any of the vowel graphs ("a, e, i, o, u, y") can be pronounced as a schwa in an unstressed syllable. Yes, that's true, if that's what you mean. CJhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#226793Fri, 22 May 2009 02:37:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:226793CalifJim1http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#226793http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments31-226793.xmlThe schwas are sometimes notated in dictionaries as full vowels (like the first "i" in discussion ) when most people say the schwa that is closest to that full vowel. Every editor of every dictionary makes his or her own choice about the way such cases will be symbolized. There is no standard. You may even find different symbols in different dictionaries. In teaching English many teachers pass over the schwa quickly. This is a sensible approach. One wants to keep the students from obsessing about academic subtleties and keep them on the task of listening and imitating the sounds. Imitation is much more important than any ability to have learned discussions on all the shades of schwa. The important thing for most learners...http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#226763Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:37:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:226763EyeSeeYou2http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#226763http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments31-226763.xmlStill I don't get a couple of things: 1) Why is it that on some words vowels on the unstressed syllable don't get a schwa? For example the word discussion , where the 1st 'i' appears on the dictionary with /I/ sound instead of a schwa; or the word atmosphere , where the last syllable is /f I r/ instead of having a schwa. I could think of many other words with that particularity as well. 2) So the schwa could adopt any of the 5 sounds of the vowels, right? I'm confused because one of my teachers told me the schwa has a sound 'similar' to an 'e' only but rather soft. Maybe I've been a bit slow recently on this thing about the schwa but I really want to learn it right.http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#225518Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:37:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:225518CalifJim3http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#225518http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments31-225518.xmlI understand that vowels in the unstressed syllables are often pronounced /ə/ or /I/ . My question is: how do I know when to use /ə/ and when to use /I/? The vowels in unstressed syllables are collectively referred to as schwas, or simply as schwa. When you see a schwa symbol in most transcriptions it is phonemic in nature, not phonetic. That is, it stands for a great many different "unclear" or "reduced" vowel sounds. There are, in essence, an infinite number of schwas. They range throughout the whole area bounded by the triangle of vowels i as in kit , u as in cup , and oo as in look . It is nearly impossible to specify the exact shade of schwa needed for any particular context, except in general terms. I can...http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#225223Fri, 22 May 2009 02:37:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:225223Orpheus4http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#225223http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments31-225223.xmlI am not sure about American English, but in British English I believe the final 'e' in 'convenient' is indeed pronounced as a schwa. As for the pronunciation rules, I don't think there are any in this regard. You will just have to check with the dictionary as MrM said.http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#225192Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:37:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:225192Thethenothere1235http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#225192http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments31-225192.xmlIn "convenient" the final "e" is unstressed but it's pronounced as the short "i" sound as in "it," rather than a schwa; so the "ent" at the end sounds like "int" in the words "internet" and "internal."http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#225181Thu, 22 Jan 2009 03:37:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:225181EyeSeeYou6http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#225181http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments31-225181.xmlMister Micawber wrote: Check the dictionary or listen to a native speaker. I would think only syllables with i, e or y would yield the /i/ sound. I've just noticed that the schwa symbol doesn't appear in my original post. Well, it's supposed to be the square. As to my question, according to dictionaries, there's a rule for vowels in the unstressed syllables. For example, the word 'convenient' would have a schwa in the "o" and final "e".http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#225011Fri, 22 May 2009 02:37:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:225011Thethenothere1237http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#225011http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments31-225011.xmlI don't know of any rules that dictate the pronunciation in that regard. I tend to believe that every language has some element that is particularly difficult to learn and with English, it's the pronunciation and spelling. Seriously, for what other language do national spelling competitions exist?http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#225003Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:37:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:225003Mister Micawber8http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htm#225003http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments31-225003.xmlCheck the dictionary or listen to a native speaker. I would think only syllables with i, e or y would yield the /i/ sound.http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htmThu, 22 Jan 2009 03:37:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:224931EyeSeeYou9http://www.englishforums.com/English/VowelsUnstressedSyllables/clnzv/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments31-224931.xmlI understand that vowels in the unstressed syllables are often pronounced /ə/ or /I/ . My question is: how do I know when to use /ə/ and when to use /I/?