http://www.englishforums.com/English/LegalEnglish/Forum34.htmInternational law and specific national laws can be discussed here.enXMOD (Build: 3607.32596)http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#765402Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:17:15 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:765402Anonymous0http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#765402http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-765402.xmli think that the basic difference between culpable homicide and murder is that in culpable homicide there is no intention to kill or main or we can say there was no preplanning to kill or commit a murder ......it includes homicide that is injury to other person which may lead to death of that person depending upon the quantum of injury caused...for e.g..a person A takes a stick and hits the B on his head...here we can see that A didn,t had any intention of killing B coz a stick in normal situation can never kill a person ...but if B dies than here he commits a crime of culpable homicide..coz the injury caused by him withour any preplanning has lead to the death of the B....And murder is simply a homicide by one person of another and that...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#698753Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:23:30 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:698753Anonymous1http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#698753http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-698753.xmlCulpable homicide is the genus, and murder is a species. Whoever causes the death of a person by doing an act with the intention of causing death, or with the intention of cusing such bodily injury as is likely to cause death, or with the knowledge that he is likely by such an act to casue death, commits the offence of culpable homicide . Now, culpable homicide may or may not amount to murder. Cupable homicide is murder in all cases if the the act by which the death is caused is done with the intention of causing death, except for in the folllowing cases: Grave and sudden provocation, mistake or accident. In the bona fide execise of the right of private defence in the defence of person or property. If a public...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#380770Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:39:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:380770Anonymous2http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#380770http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-380770.xmlCulpable Homicide is a term used usually in the far east to describe the act of killing a person without direct intention(mens rea). It is known as Manslaughter in England and the States. Culpable Homicide (Manslaughter) is said to occur when a person in performing some act expects death or dangerous injury as the consequence knownigly brings about such a concequence. As posted earlier it is defined under the Sec.299 of the Indian Penal Codehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#374698Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:39:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:374698Clive3http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#374698http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-374698.xmlHi, Not much in this case. However, the use of one here tends to suggest that there are others. Consider these more concrete examples. eg The car that the police are looking for is damaged at the front. eg The car that the police are looking for is one damaged at the front. This version more explicitly recognizes that there may be several cars with damage at the front. Best wishes, Clivehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#374678Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:39:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:374678Yoong Liat4http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#374678http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-374678.xmlHi Clive A Google search indicates that the phrase is one used in India and the Far East. No US or UK hits (apart from media reports) If I remove 'one', does the meaning change?http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#374596Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:39:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:374596Clive5http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#374596http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-374596.xmlHi. the phrase is one used in India and the Far East Could you please tell me why it is used here? What does it do to the sentence? 'One' is in this kind of context a noun that refers to a single person/thing. Often, this is something that has been mentioned previously. eg I looked at a red car and a blue car. I bought the blue one. eg I need to buy a car. I want one that is red. Best wishes, Clivehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#374448Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:39:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:374448Peaceblinkfriend6http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#374448http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-374448.xmlOkay. I now know it is not a typo. Thank you, Clive. Could you please tell me why it is used here? What does it do to the sentence? Thanks again. Best wishes, Peaceblinkfriendhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#373995Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:373995Clive7http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/3/vhjwd/Post.htm#373995http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-373995.xmlHi, It's OK, not a typo. Clivehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373973Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:373973Peaceblinkfriend8http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373973http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-373973.xmlFeebs11 wrote: A Google search indicates that the phrase is one used in India and the Far East. No US or UK hits (apart from media reports) Hi all, Sorry, I know this is off topic but I really couldn't find a better opportunity to ask this question. Is the word one a typo, or was it intended to be used here? Thank you. Best wishes, Peaceblinkfriendhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373765Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:373765Feebs119http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373765http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-373765.xmlWhat exactly are you looking for? Your student asked about the difference between homicide and murder, and that has been clearly answered. As to the phrase you are questioning, legal terms for criminal acts vary from one country to another. In India, this phrase seems to be a correct legal term for a crime. It may also be one that is used in Singapore. It is not necessarily a question of inaccurate local English.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373684Thu, 21 May 2009 22:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:373684Yoong Liat10http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373684http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-373684.xmlFeebs11 wrote: Actually, I don't think so. The Google search showed that there is a murder charge called this in the Indian legal structure, and it may well be the same in Singapore. But Indian English is not recognised, right? Neither is Singapore English. I think I would accept AmE, BrE or Australian English.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373533Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:373533Feebs1111http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373533http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-373533.xmlActually, I don't think so. The Google search showed that there is a murder charge called this in the Indian legal structure, and it may well be the same in Singapore.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373403Thu, 21 May 2009 22:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:373403Yoong Liat12http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373403http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-373403.xmlFeebs11 wrote: Yoong Liat wrote: Feebs11 wrote: As you will see in my earlier reply, "culpable homicide" is used in Scottish law. I was referrring to the whole phrase 'culpable homicide not amounting to murder'. Is this phrase used in America or the UK? Sorry - no. A Google search indicates that the phrase is one used in India and the Far East. No US or UK hits (apart from media reports) I presume it is wrong usage; it is Singaporean English.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373339Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:373339Feebs1113http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373339http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-373339.xmlYoong Liat wrote: Feebs11 wrote: As you will see in my earlier reply, "culpable homicide" is used in Scottish law. I was referrring to the whole phrase 'culpable homicide not amounting to murder'. Is this phrase used in America or the UK? Sorry - no. A Google search indicates that the phrase is one used in India and the Far East. No US or UK hits (apart from media reports)http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373278Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:373278Clive14http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373278http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-373278.xmlHi, I've never heard it. Clivehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373055Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:373055Yoong Liat15http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#373055http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-373055.xmlFeebs11 wrote: As you will see in my earlier reply, "culpable homicide" is used in Scottish law. I was referrring to the whole phrase 'culpable homicide not amounting to murder'. Is this phrase used in America or the UK?http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#372996Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:372996Feebs1116http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/2/vhjwd/Post.htm#372996http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-372996.xmlAs you will see in my earlier reply, "culpable homicide" is used in Scottish law.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#372880Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:372880Yoong Liat17http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#372880http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-372880.xmlIn Singapore, I read in the newspaper "culpable homicide not amounting to murder". Is this term used in America or Britain?http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#372827Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:372827Kathrin18http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#372827http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-372827.xmlThe answer of the original question depends on the jurisdictions. In some jurisdictions homocide includes various murders like falony murder and capital murder and therefore it is the wider term, which explains why they are used sometimes synonymosly. Maybe you should limit the question to Singapore or to the further jurisdictions of interest? In Germany they are not synonym but it would take too long to explainhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#371565Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:371565Feebs1119http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#371565http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-371565.xmlIt seems that in Singapore, the term "homicide" is being used where in Britain we would use either manslaughter or culpable homicide.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#371423Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:371423Yoong Liat20http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#371423http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-371423.xmlIn Singapore, if someone is found guilty of murder, he or she will be sentenced to death by hanging. In the case of 'homicide', it will be a long prison term.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#371357Thu, 21 May 2009 22:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:371357Feebs1121http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#371357http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-371357.xmlAs I understand it, "homicide" is the blanket term for any form of unlawful killing. Within homicide are sub-terms : murder and manslaughter or culpable homicide . Recent legislation has made changes to these definitions, but essentially you can say that homicide and murder are synonymous.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#371313Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:371313julielai22http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#371313http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-371313.xmlClive wrote: homicide - Focuses on the killing of a human being, in the same way that 'fratricide' focuses on killing one's brother, 'suicide' on killing one's self, etc. Homicide is not necessarily a crime. If a police officer kills someone who shoots first at him, this is not illegal, not murder. 'Justifiable homicide' is the phrase I often hear. murder - Focuses on the unlawful killing of a human being. Involves some degree of premeditation or intention (first degree and second degree murder, murder in cold blood or in hot blood). Careless, accidental killing is 'manslaughter' rather than 'murder'. Same usage here in the U.S.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#371233Thu, 21 May 2009 22:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:371233Yoong Liat23http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#371233http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-371233.xmlHi Clive Thanks for the explanation. I agree with what you've said. What prompted me to ask this question is because my student asked me for the definition of 'homicide'. After explaining to him, I referred to his dictionary to make sure, and was surprised by what I read. It states that 'homicide' is AmE and 'murder' is BrE or maybe the other way round. I cannot remember which is which.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#371230Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:371230Clive24http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htm#371230http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-371230.xmlHi, What is the difference between 'homicide' and 'murder'? Is there a difference in British and American usage with regard to this term? A lawyer should really answer this. I'm not a lawyer, but here are a couple of comments. homicide - Focuses on the killing of a human being, in the same way that 'fratricide' focuses on killing one's brother, 'suicide' on killing one's self, etc. Homicide is not necessarily a crime. If a police officer kills someone who shoots first at him, this is not illegal, not murder. 'Justifiable homicide' is the phrase I often hear. murder - Focuses on the unlawful killing of a human being. Involves some degree of premeditation or intention (first degree and second degree murder, murder in...http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htmThu, 21 May 2009 22:39:29 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:371215Yoong Liat25http://www.englishforums.com/English/HomicideVsMurder/vhjwd/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments34-371215.xmlWhat is the difference between 'homicide' and 'murder'? Is there a difference in British and American usage with regard to this term? Thanks in advance.