http://www.englishforums.com/English/LinguisticsDiscussionForum/Forum35.htmGet into the nitty-gritty of the language.enXMOD (Build: 3616.28671)http://www.englishforums.com/English/LearningGrammarWhenWhyEtc/zddwz/post.htm#433742Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:39:38 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:433742Hoa Thai0http://www.englishforums.com/English/LearningGrammarWhenWhyEtc/zddwz/post.htm#433742http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-433742.xmlYour replies gave me a sense that grammar is still important in American schools; however, it is not formally scheduled as a separated course, but as a corrective task to help students refine their English skills. That is how our language, Vietnamese, has been taught for hundreds of years. Nonetheless, when we must soon learn foreign languages, grammar is taught similarly to math - with rules and exceptions to remember - but without the logical reasoning behind! (perhaps, due to the remnants of the French educational system). In any event, to confirm my new knowledge, I googled ‘anti-grammar movement’ and found that since 1970s, American scholars have been debating for the need of teaching formal grammar classes. What...http://www.englishforums.com/English/LearningGrammarWhenWhyEtc/zddwz/post.htm#433506Wed, 27 May 2009 03:39:38 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:433506Grammar Geek1http://www.englishforums.com/English/LearningGrammarWhenWhyEtc/zddwz/post.htm#433506http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-433506.xmlI can only tell you my experiences as a parent. My older daugher is 10. This year, she brought home papers in which she had to identify things like the simple subject, the complete subject, the simple predicate, the complete predicate, etc. She also had exercises last year on whether something was a predicate nominiative or predicate adjective. (Personally, I find these rather pointless.) However, I was lucky enough to spend a good amount of time in her "language arts" classes last year (as a guest editor) and found that the emphasis is in coherent writing, a logical flow to the writing, etc. The students would do peer editing for things like capitalization, puncturation, and subject/verb agreement. Then final drafts are given to...http://www.englishforums.com/English/LearningGrammarWhenWhyEtc/zddwz/post.htm#433455Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:39:38 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:433455Hoa Thai2http://www.englishforums.com/English/LearningGrammarWhenWhyEtc/zddwz/post.htm#433455http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-433455.xmlMister Micawber wrote: Briefly: American schoolchildren do not study grammar per se. Grammar mistakes in the written language are pointed out when they began writing essays. This can continue up into university level. That's interesting! I have been under an impression that sometime before going to college, an American pupil must has been exposed to a year of intense grammar training due to the existence of "my grammar teacher" in English literature. So without a formal grammar class, how does "my grammar teacher" fit in? How about other countries where English is the mandatory language used in school at all time? Anybody cares to comment? Thanks, Hoa Thaihttp://www.englishforums.com/English/LearningGrammarWhenWhyEtc/zddwz/post.htm#433426Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:39:38 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:433426Mister Micawber3http://www.englishforums.com/English/LearningGrammarWhenWhyEtc/zddwz/post.htm#433426http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-433426.xmlBriefly: American schoolchildren do not study grammar per se. Grammar mistakes in the written language are pointed out when they began writing essays. This can continue up into university level.http://www.englishforums.com/English/LearningGrammarWhenWhyEtc/zddwz/post.htmMon, 27 Apr 2009 03:39:38 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:433352Hoa Thai4http://www.englishforums.com/English/LearningGrammarWhenWhyEtc/zddwz/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-433352.xmlTo the native English speakers and educators, Please share with me your experience: 1. When (at what grade) do children in your country institutionally start learning grammar? 2. Do they concentrate on learning grammar for one year, or does the subject spread out over many years? 3. How many sessions and how many hours per session are considered adequate to form a good foundation? 4. How important is learning grammar compared to other skills in an English grammar curriculum? The reasons for my asking are: 1. Countless ESL students in my country focus too much on grammar and they often do well in English grammar tests, particularly multiple-choices. However, rarely, I can find a student, who can write a good essay or speak...