http://www.englishforums.com/English/LinguisticsDiscussionForum/Forum35.htmGet into the nitty-gritty of the language.enXMOD (Build: 3607.32596)http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/2/hrnbp/Post.htm#589093Sat, 23 May 2009 09:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:589093Anonymous0http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/2/hrnbp/Post.htm#589093http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-589093.xmlBack to the thread topic?http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/2/hrnbp/Post.htm#589075Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:589075MrPedantic1http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/2/hrnbp/Post.htm#589075http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-589075.xmlWell, they all look active to me. We can reset them for you, if you've forgotten your password(s). Alternatively, sign up anew, and you will indeed be able to edit your posts, for a limited period after posting. All the best, MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/2/hrnbp/Post.htm#588848Sat, 23 May 2009 09:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588848Anonymous2http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/2/hrnbp/Post.htm#588848http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-588848.xmlThis is interesting: <<Yes they are similar, but... When you want to say that it is required something to be done regularly you use have to He has to do his homework after school every day. Cf. however 1. You must take three of these pills every day after lunch. Formally, when you speak about the law or obligation you use must Everyone must pay taxes.>> So the have to use above is informal, is it?http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/2/hrnbp/Post.htm#588842Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588842Anonymous3http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/2/hrnbp/Post.htm#588842http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-588842.xmlI have no operative accounts, MrP.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/2/hrnbp/Post.htm#588673Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588673MrPedantic4http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/2/hrnbp/Post.htm#588673http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-588673.xmlThis is the frustration of not being allowed to edit one's posts. There is no need to post anonymously. You have at least three accounts still operative; any of which you are free to use. In the meantime, cf. http://www.englishforums.com/English/ModalVerbs/dcxpx/Post.htm 24 pages of "have to" vs "must". MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588666Sat, 23 May 2009 09:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588666Anonymous5http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588666http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-588666.xmlHi, Oh, I see. In that case I'd agree, very generally speaking. Clive Why very generally speaking?http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588658Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588658Clive6http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588658http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-588658.xmlHi, Oh, I see. In that case I'd agree, very generally speaking. Clivehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588656Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588656Anonymous7http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588656http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-588656.xmlHi, Yes. So that would mean the answer to the original question is 'No', wouldn't it? Clive Sorry, very tired when posting thread post. This is what i meant: Do you agree that, in their obligative readings, "must" is generally subjective while "have to" is always objective? This is the frustration of not being allowed to edit one's posts.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588651Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588651Clive8http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588651http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-588651.xmlHi, Yes. So that would mean the answer to the original question is 'No', wouldn't it? Clivehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588647Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588647Anonymous9http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588647http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-588647.xmlHi, But if 'subjective' is defined as 'expressing the speaker's authority', would you say that 'I have to do my homework tonight' is subjective? Clive In my variety that would be objective - i.e. external to the speaker. It would express either the authority of another or the constraint of circumstances. How about in your variety?http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588584Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588584Clive10http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588584http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-588584.xmlHi, Do you agree that, in their obligative readings, "must" is generally subjective while "have to" is always subjective? If you read a sign that says 'Passengers must remain seated until the bus has stopped', in what sense would you consider that generally subjective? Because it expresses the speaker's authority. The deontic source is the speaker. But if 'subjective' is defined as 'expressing the speaker's authority', would you say that 'I have to do my homework tonight' is subjective? Clivehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588575Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588575Anonymous11http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588575http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-588575.xmlBecause it expresses the speaker's authority. The deontic source is the speaker.http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588463Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588463Clive12http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htm#588463http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-588463.xmlHi, If you read a sign that says 'Passengers must remain seated until the bus has stopped', in what sense would you consider that generally subjective? Best wishes, Clivehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htmMon, 23 Feb 2009 10:12:24 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588436Anonymous13http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveToMust/hrnbp/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-588436.xmlDo you agree that, in their obligative readings, "must" is generally subjective while "have to" is always subjective?