http://www.englishforums.com/English/LinguisticsDiscussionForum/Forum35.htmGet into the nitty-gritty of the language.enXMOD (Build: 3607.32596)http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/3/hzzmw/Post.htm#934089Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:03:23 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:934089CalifJim0http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/3/hzzmw/Post.htm#934089http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-934089.xmlAre we ready ...? Some of us are; some of us aren't. I could easiily do without whom, shall, may, lest, acclivity, forenoon, countenance , and many others. But some people like them. CJhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#925588Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:56:43 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:925588Anonymous1http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#925588http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-925588.xmlIt may not be said much (I rarely say it myself because I know many people don't like it), but it is still written. I think, while we stil have he/him there is no good reason to abandon who/whom.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#629037Fri, 22 May 2009 13:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:629037MrPedantic2http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#629037http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-629037.xmlNo; I'm aware of how much I myself use "whom" now, but uncertain about how much I used "whom" in the more distant past. MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#612517Fri, 22 May 2009 13:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:612517Anonymous3http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#612517http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-612517.xmlSo you'd also apply this to yourself, right, MrP? <Sometimes people are remarkably unaware of how much they themselves use "whom".>http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#611595Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:611595MrPedantic4http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#611595http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-611595.xmlAfter prepositions, where I mostly use it, probably neither less nor more; elsewhere, I'm not sure. MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#611425Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:611425Anonymous5http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#611425http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-611425.xmlOff-forum, do you use it less now than in the past, MrP?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#611367Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:611367MrPedantic6http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#611367http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-611367.xmlYou included? Not at all. My stats for 2008 are 3 times per 1,000 posts. MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#611340Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:611340Anonymous7http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#611340http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-611340.xmlThat's great, but what does it have to do with the thread question? Sometimes people are remarkably unaware of how much they themselves use "whom". MrP You included?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#611272Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:611272MrPedantic8http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#611272http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-611272.xmlThat's great, but what does it have to do with the thread question? Sometimes people are remarkably unaware of how much they themselves use "whom". MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#611242Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:611242Anonymous9http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/2/hzzmw/Post.htm#611242http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-611242.xmlThey'll become oddities. I'm reminded of an episode at another forum . MrP That's great, but what does it have to do with the thread question?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#611060Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:611060MrPedantic10http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#611060http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-611060.xmlThey'll become oddities. I'm reminded of an episode at another forum . MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#611051Fri, 22 May 2009 13:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:611051Anonymous11http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#611051http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-611051.xmlAnyway, I don't think G K Pullum should be laying down the law on the matter. Let those who want to carry on using it do so. Yeah. They'll become oddities. Why not let 'em go that way if they want to?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#611050Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:611050Anonymous12http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#611050http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-611050.xmlFalse. I use it pretty often, for example: Whom I'd of done such a thing? Whom est up my room? What a mess! You've sense of whomer!http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#611049Fri, 22 May 2009 13:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:611049Anonymous13http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#611049http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-611049.xmlDid you have some sort of question about this? See the thread title.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#611037Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:611037Forbes14http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#611037http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-611037.xmlI am ready to kiss it goodbye in some situations. I would never say: "Whom did you meet?", but I do use it after prepositions, though I am probably more likely to use the inverted form e.g. "Who by?" Anyway, I don't think G K Pullum should be laying down the law on the matter. Let those who want to carry on using it do so.http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#611022Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:611022MrPedantic15http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#611022http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-611022.xmlKiss whom goodbye. It is rarely heard in conversation now Certainly it's an unusual collocation. But perhaps: Middle-aged mother to son, deciding to come clean at last, as "Uncle" Frank prepares to depart: "Aren't you going to kiss your father goodbye, darling?" Son: "Kiss whom goodbye?" MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#610953Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:610953Kooyeen16http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#610953http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-610953.xmlFalse. I use it pretty often, for example: Whom I'd of done such a thing? Whom est up my room? What a mess!http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#610935Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:610935Grammar Geek17http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htm#610935http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-610935.xmlDid you have some sort of question about this?http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htmWed, 22 Apr 2009 13:21:55 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:610869Anonymous18http://www.englishforums.com/English/AreReadyKissWhomGoodbye/hzzmw/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-610869.xml"Kiss whom goodbye. It is rarely heard in conversation now, and just about never in clause-initial position." G K Pullum