http://www.englishforums.com/English/LinguisticsDiscussionForum/Forum35.htmGet into the nitty-gritty of the language.enXMOD (Build: 3607.32596)http://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htm#806435Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:31:30 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:806435MrPedantic0http://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htm#806435http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-806435.xmlHow does that relate to transformations of "these + noun + have a"? Metathreadistically. MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htm#806228Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:42:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:806228Anonymous1http://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htm#806228http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-806228.xmlHow about this: Pass the test, Mary will -- doesn't study, unless. How does that relate to transformations of "these + noun + have a"?http://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htm#806157Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:45:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:806157Yankee2http://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htm#806157http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-806157.xmlHow about this: Pass the test, Mary will -- doesn't study, unless.http://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htm#805113Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:02:28 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:805113MrPedantic3http://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htm#805113http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-805113.xmlThe original example does not contain a verb; your examples 1 to 5 do contain a verb. Thus you have not replicated the original structure. MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htm#805088Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:46:38 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:805088Anonymous4http://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htm#805088http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-805088.xmlSorry, but I don't understand either of your comments. Could you explain?http://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htm#805073Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:36:17 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:805073MrPedantic5http://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htm#805073http://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-805073.xmlYour examples do not follow the structure of the original, M. Also, you should distinguish between different kinds of "having", and whether that "having" reflects a temporary or longer-term state. MrPhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htmFri, 03 Jul 2009 08:15:54 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:804179Anonymous6http://www.englishforums.com/English/TransformingTheseNoun/jklkl/post.htmhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/comments35-804179.xmlI saw this sentence today: Odd sense of fairness, these kids! That is obviously a part of the whole "these kids have got a stupid sense fairness". I was just wondering if there are any restrictions upon transformations of the "these + noun + have a" type. For example, how do these sound? 1. these patients have a normal menstrual history and are of proved fertility >>> normal menstrual history and (are) of proved fertility, these patients 2. these guys have a shot in being the BEST dancers of all time >>> have a shot in being the BEST dancers of all time, these guys 3. most of these patients have a coarctation >>> have a coarctation, most of these patients 4. These...